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as someone living outside the US I can tell you that to us you're all the same.

by satao 4y ago

pb7 4y ago
That's your personal opinion. You don't speak for the ~7.7B people not in the US.
- anm89 4y ago
  As is your opinion that it isn't
  - pb7 4y ago
    I didn't claim to speak for billions of people.
    - dylan604 4y ago
      "You don't speak for the ~7.7B people not in the US." vs "You don't speak for me" One of those comments is speaking for a lot more people
      - djanlermats2020 4y ago
        No it isn't, both are correct statements of fact.
      - ryantgtg 4y ago
        Where did you get "you don't speak for me"? It's "I can tell you that to us you're all the same" vs "You don't speak for the ~7.7B people not in the US." One person is trying to speak for 7.7B and the other is advising against that.
        dylan604 4y ago
        >Where did you get "you don't speak for me"? It was an example of how to state unambiguously who was/was not being spoken for to contrast with the other statement. Maybe because I put it in quotes led you to think I was quoting someone, but it looked odd without to me.
    - anm89 4y ago
      you are making the same implicit claim and arguing insignificant semantics.
cheriot 4y ago
Ironically, there's laws restricting US Gov access to data in the US, but no such restrictions on hacking foreign networks.
exolymph 4y ago
you're entitled to your opinion, but for those of us living inside the US, they are not at all the same
neither_color 4y ago
When the police start knocking on my door inviting me to have tea because of something I posted on twitter I'll take your comment seriously(https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2021/10/translation-spilling-the-tea-about-being-invited-to-tea-and-hearing-the-police-read-aloud-your-tweets/ https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2021/10/translation-spilling-t...). Our free speech and privacy protections are not only stronger than China's, they're arguably stronger than Europe's too. There are some trade offs of course since Europe has GDPR and the right to be forgotten. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/23/technology/germany-internet-speech-arrest.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/23/technology/germany-intern... https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-arresting-nine-people-a-day-in-fight-against-web-trolls-b8nkpgp2d https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-arresting-nine-peo... The reason China's situation is worse is because Europeans and Americans can and do protest this. It is not normalized and accepted. If you feel that America goes too far in how it exports its perceived brand of authoritarian, you should know that China is just getting started: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/oct/3/report-details-chinas-covert-overseas-police-opera/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/oct/3/report-detai...

as someone living outside the US I can tell you that to us you're all the same.

by satao 4y ago

as someone living outside the US I can tell you that to us you're all the same.

pb7 4y ago

That's your personal opinion. You don't speak for the ~7.7B people not in the US.

anm89 4y ago
As is your opinion that it isn't
- pb7 4y ago
  I didn't claim to speak for billions of people.
  - dylan604 4y ago
    "You don't speak for the ~7.7B people not in the US." vs "You don't speak for me" One of those comments is speaking for a lot more people
    - djanlermats2020 4y ago
      No it isn't, both are correct statements of fact.
    - ryantgtg 4y ago
      Where did you get "you don't speak for me"? It's "I can tell you that to us you're all the same" vs "You don't speak for the ~7.7B people not in the US." One person is trying to speak for 7.7B and the other is advising against that.
      - dylan604 4y ago
        >Where did you get "you don't speak for me"? It was an example of how to state unambiguously who was/was not being spoken for to contrast with the other statement. Maybe because I put it in quotes led you to think I was quoting someone, but it looked odd without to me.
  - anm89 4y ago
    you are making the same implicit claim and arguing insignificant semantics.

cheriot 4y ago

Ironically, there's laws restricting US Gov access to data in the US, but no such restrictions on hacking foreign networks.

exolymph 4y ago

you're entitled to your opinion, but for those of us living inside the US, they are not at all the same

neither_color 4y ago

When the police start knocking on my door inviting me to have tea because of something I posted on twitter I'll take your comment seriously(https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2021/10/translation-spilling-the-tea-about-being-invited-to-tea-and-hearing-the-police-read-aloud-your-tweets/ https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2021/10/translation-spilling-t...). Our free speech and privacy protections are not only stronger than China's, they're arguably stronger than Europe's too. There are some trade offs of course since Europe has GDPR and the right to be forgotten. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/23/technology/germany-internet-speech-arrest.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/23/technology/germany-intern... https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-arresting-nine-people-a-day-in-fight-against-web-trolls-b8nkpgp2d https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-arresting-nine-peo... The reason China's situation is worse is because Europeans and Americans can and do protest this. It is not normalized and accepted. If you feel that America goes too far in how it exports its perceived brand of authoritarian, you should know that China is just getting started: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/oct/3/report-details-chinas-covert-overseas-police-opera/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/oct/3/report-detai...