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>Might also be why the "mainstream" is primarily using Apple iPads/iPods/iPhones vs the myriad of Android devices available. Which mainstream? Last time I loo

by mbell 15y ago

>Might also be why the "mainstream" is primarily using Apple iPads/iPods/iPhones vs the myriad of Android devices available. Which mainstream? Last time I looked Android market share was substantially higher than iOS.

gareim 15y ago
Look again, because iOS has greater market share than Android does. But it's a moot point anyways, because one OS is limited to a few devices that sell at high price points and the other is used by tens of manufacturers and hit low, medium, and high price points. Actually, because of that, it makes iOS's market share even more impressive.
- gareim 15y ago
  What did I say that was wrong? The guy had the idea that Android has greater market share than iOS, I stated my belief that he was wrong, and then I got downvoted. Some of you guys are too trigger happy with your downvoting buttons. If you're going to downvote, at least explain why so everyone is wiser in the end.
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  - untog 15y ago
    I think people probably want you to cite some sources for what you're saying. Because pretty much every article I've read says that Android has a significantly larger market share: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-11-15/tech/30400455_1_ios-iphone-smartphone-market http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-11-15/tech/30400455...
    - gareim 15y ago
      Ahh, that's a good point. I usually like to leave others to google it up, but I guess it really is stupid for me to not put a source down since then I could just be making things up. I may be mistaken for what these stats show, since things are very confusing with Android vs iOS. Some places claim one way and other places claim the other. I think the ones that claim iOS have a larger share are counting iPhones, iPod Touches, and iPads. Here's two sources that show iOS having greater share: http://www.bgr.com/2011/11/01/ios-market-share-balloons-in-october-android-climbs-to-no-2-mobile-os/ http://www.bgr.com/2011/11/01/ios-market-share-balloons-in-o... http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-ww-monthly-201011-201111 http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-ww-monthly-201011-20111... The second one (not sure about the first) is getting their stats from web hits, so how accurate it is, I do not know. I think aside from Apple and Google, no one really knows the real market share.
      - gareim 15y ago
        I found a better source arguing that iOS is ahead (at least in February of 2011): http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events/Press_Releases/2011/4/Apple_iOS_Platform_Outreaches_Android_by_59_Percent_in_U.S http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events/Press_Releases/2011/4/A... This is now 3 sources claiming iOS has greater share than Android, and even if they are a bit outdated, it's proof that the 60% share vs 15% share cited in many articles refers only to the phone wars (most articles I've seen eventually mentions the words "smartphone").
        nl 15y ago
        There is no real confusion, except what you seem to be trying to create. The BRG report is using one companies analytics product (which is embedded in apps). Plainly that is more popular on iOS than Android, but we've seen that before - most people on Android use Google Analytics, so 3rd party analytics aren't reliable when comparing them. Those Comscore stats are nearly a year old. A more recent one shows Android at ~46%, iOS at 28%: http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/02/android-steals-blackberry-share-samsung-top-vendor-in-new-comscore-report/ http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/02/android-steals-blackberry-shar... The Statcounter stats clearly show Android and iOS are within a couple of percent (note how Android was above iOS a month or two ago). Given that the iPAd is the most popular tablet on the market (and people browse the web on tablets a lot more than on phones) this makes it even more likely that Android is ahead in units.
        gareim 15y ago
        Your stats refer to smartphones only whereas mine specifically says iPod touches, ipads, and iPhones. Given that the company doing the research is the same in both, but the labels are different, this difference could hold significance. Furthermore, if your table actually means what it's supposed to, it would mean android went from 10% share in February to 42% share in June. Also, there are many factors at play as any Stats student knows. Simply making assertions that android users are misrepresented could be dangerous.
mgkimsal 15y ago
The mainstream who shop at stores where every single appliance/device has "works with your iPod/iPhone!". The mainstream who go to hotels that have iPod docking stations in the room alarm clocks. The mainstream who go to fitness gyms that have iPod/iPhone docking stations in the workout equipment.
- jan_g 15y ago
  Ah, but you are conflating UI performance with something else. My point is, that UI performance is not an issue (at least hasn't been for a while). Other things, like high quality apps, ubiquitous docking stations in cars/hotels/..., on the other hand are quite important. That is, for vast majority of users, geeks who type 40+ words/minute on miniature screens don't count.
  - mgkimsal 15y ago
    I don't think so. My position is that "mainstream" users - the type of people who care about the apps, docking stations, ubiquity of the platform, etc - also care about UI fluidity.

by mbell 15y ago

gareim 15y ago

Look again, because iOS has greater market share than Android does. But it's a moot point anyways, because one OS is limited to a few devices that sell at high price points and the other is used by tens of manufacturers and hit low, medium, and high price points. Actually, because of that, it makes iOS's market share even more impressive.

gareim 15y ago
What did I say that was wrong? The guy had the idea that Android has greater market share than iOS, I stated my belief that he was wrong, and then I got downvoted. Some of you guys are too trigger happy with your downvoting buttons. If you're going to downvote, at least explain why so everyone is wiser in the end.
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- untog 15y ago
  I think people probably want you to cite some sources for what you're saying. Because pretty much every article I've read says that Android has a significantly larger market share: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-11-15/tech/30400455_1_ios-iphone-smartphone-market http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-11-15/tech/30400455...
  - gareim 15y ago
    Ahh, that's a good point. I usually like to leave others to google it up, but I guess it really is stupid for me to not put a source down since then I could just be making things up. I may be mistaken for what these stats show, since things are very confusing with Android vs iOS. Some places claim one way and other places claim the other. I think the ones that claim iOS have a larger share are counting iPhones, iPod Touches, and iPads. Here's two sources that show iOS having greater share: http://www.bgr.com/2011/11/01/ios-market-share-balloons-in-october-android-climbs-to-no-2-mobile-os/ http://www.bgr.com/2011/11/01/ios-market-share-balloons-in-o... http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-ww-monthly-201011-201111 http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-ww-monthly-201011-20111... The second one (not sure about the first) is getting their stats from web hits, so how accurate it is, I do not know. I think aside from Apple and Google, no one really knows the real market share.
    - gareim 15y ago
      I found a better source arguing that iOS is ahead (at least in February of 2011): http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events/Press_Releases/2011/4/Apple_iOS_Platform_Outreaches_Android_by_59_Percent_in_U.S http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events/Press_Releases/2011/4/A... This is now 3 sources claiming iOS has greater share than Android, and even if they are a bit outdated, it's proof that the 60% share vs 15% share cited in many articles refers only to the phone wars (most articles I've seen eventually mentions the words "smartphone").
      - nl 15y ago
        There is no real confusion, except what you seem to be trying to create. The BRG report is using one companies analytics product (which is embedded in apps). Plainly that is more popular on iOS than Android, but we've seen that before - most people on Android use Google Analytics, so 3rd party analytics aren't reliable when comparing them. Those Comscore stats are nearly a year old. A more recent one shows Android at ~46%, iOS at 28%: http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/02/android-steals-blackberry-share-samsung-top-vendor-in-new-comscore-report/ http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/02/android-steals-blackberry-shar... The Statcounter stats clearly show Android and iOS are within a couple of percent (note how Android was above iOS a month or two ago). Given that the iPAd is the most popular tablet on the market (and people browse the web on tablets a lot more than on phones) this makes it even more likely that Android is ahead in units.
        gareim 15y ago
        Your stats refer to smartphones only whereas mine specifically says iPod touches, ipads, and iPhones. Given that the company doing the research is the same in both, but the labels are different, this difference could hold significance. Furthermore, if your table actually means what it's supposed to, it would mean android went from 10% share in February to 42% share in June. Also, there are many factors at play as any Stats student knows. Simply making assertions that android users are misrepresented could be dangerous.

mgkimsal 15y ago

The mainstream who shop at stores where every single appliance/device has "works with your iPod/iPhone!". The mainstream who go to hotels that have iPod docking stations in the room alarm clocks. The mainstream who go to fitness gyms that have iPod/iPhone docking stations in the workout equipment.

jan_g 15y ago
Ah, but you are conflating UI performance with something else. My point is, that UI performance is not an issue (at least hasn't been for a while). Other things, like high quality apps, ubiquitous docking stations in cars/hotels/..., on the other hand are quite important. That is, for vast majority of users, geeks who type 40+ words/minute on miniature screens don't count.
- mgkimsal 15y ago
  I don't think so. My position is that "mainstream" users - the type of people who care about the apps, docking stations, ubiquity of the platform, etc - also care about UI fluidity.