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And the NY Post's headline writers do know a lot about how to frighten every American.

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xhrpost 4y ago
Yup, I imagine most people living outside NY/NYC probably don't know to read NYPost articles with a heavy grain of salt.
- qzx_pierri 4y ago
  People in NY/NYC likely view the NYPost in such a critical way because the NYPost leans to the right. The NYPost often calls out a lot of NY/NYC's hyper liberal shenanigans. Yes, the author has certain interests (not neutral), but the overall message in the article stands firm: Stop lowering the bar to appease students who don't put in the work. I know for a fact this professor didn't have a 100% fail rate. So it is possible to pass his class, and those who can pass, will.
  - adgjlsfhk1 4y ago
    No, it's because 90% of the NYPost stories have a source of "This guy I met made something up and it might be true"
  - xhrpost 4y ago
    I'm sure that's part of it but I've also directly observed their bias towards fear exaggeration at times. Claiming certain things are happening in a neighborhood I visit frequently and unable to confirm anything they are stating. They can lean right all they want, but political leaning shouldn't be an excuse to gloss over reasonable journalism.
    - qzx_pierri 4y ago
      Okay this changes my attitude a bit. +1
  - mattzito 4y ago
    Ha, one way to put it is "hyper liberal shenanigans", the other way to put it is, "Presenting only one side of a highly complex situation requiring nuance". As an example in this case, when you look at other articles, plus the comments of the students themselves, it seems as though it's more than just "the class was too hard", it was that this teacher was largely uninterested in consistency and clear rules and requirements, and that he repeatedly refused to take feedback and make adjustments. But that doesn't fit the "stop lowering the bar" narrative in the post, so the Post just avoids putting that in there.
  - mcguire 4y ago
    How do you know the students did not put in the work? Were any students interviewed for the Post's coverage (https://nypost.com/2022/10/04/nyu-professor-allegedly-fired-after-students-say-class-was-too-hard/ https://nypost.com/2022/10/04/nyu-professor-allegedly-fired-...)? Were previous classes compared? How did Jones' course evaluations compare with other instructors teaching the same course? Was there anything different about the spring 2022 semester? The NY Post can lean whichever way it likes, but journalism does have some standards.
  - notacoward 4y ago
    Leans to the right? Try "rushes headlong" and it's well known outside of NYC too. I was actually with the author until they brought up critical race theory. There's a lot of debate to be had about whether the fault here should lie with the professor or the students. My general opinion is that if everyone is doing poorly it's the professor's fault, and after reading the Reddit thread I see nothing to justify an exception here. And none of this has anything to do with critical race theory or any other right wing dog-whistle. Also, since when did right-wingers care about higher education? I suspect most of them are cheering the reputational damage to NYU. The false shows of concern about the future of higher ed are just about as transparent as it's possible for them to be.

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Yup, I imagine most people living outside NY/NYC probably don't know to read NYPost articles with a heavy grain of salt.

qzx_pierri 4y ago
People in NY/NYC likely view the NYPost in such a critical way because the NYPost leans to the right. The NYPost often calls out a lot of NY/NYC's hyper liberal shenanigans. Yes, the author has certain interests (not neutral), but the overall message in the article stands firm: Stop lowering the bar to appease students who don't put in the work. I know for a fact this professor didn't have a 100% fail rate. So it is possible to pass his class, and those who can pass, will.
- adgjlsfhk1 4y ago
  No, it's because 90% of the NYPost stories have a source of "This guy I met made something up and it might be true"
- xhrpost 4y ago
  I'm sure that's part of it but I've also directly observed their bias towards fear exaggeration at times. Claiming certain things are happening in a neighborhood I visit frequently and unable to confirm anything they are stating. They can lean right all they want, but political leaning shouldn't be an excuse to gloss over reasonable journalism.
  - qzx_pierri 4y ago
    Okay this changes my attitude a bit. +1
- mattzito 4y ago
  Ha, one way to put it is "hyper liberal shenanigans", the other way to put it is, "Presenting only one side of a highly complex situation requiring nuance". As an example in this case, when you look at other articles, plus the comments of the students themselves, it seems as though it's more than just "the class was too hard", it was that this teacher was largely uninterested in consistency and clear rules and requirements, and that he repeatedly refused to take feedback and make adjustments. But that doesn't fit the "stop lowering the bar" narrative in the post, so the Post just avoids putting that in there.
- mcguire 4y ago
  How do you know the students did not put in the work? Were any students interviewed for the Post's coverage (https://nypost.com/2022/10/04/nyu-professor-allegedly-fired-after-students-say-class-was-too-hard/ https://nypost.com/2022/10/04/nyu-professor-allegedly-fired-...)? Were previous classes compared? How did Jones' course evaluations compare with other instructors teaching the same course? Was there anything different about the spring 2022 semester? The NY Post can lean whichever way it likes, but journalism does have some standards.
- notacoward 4y ago
  Leans to the right? Try "rushes headlong" and it's well known outside of NYC too. I was actually with the author until they brought up critical race theory. There's a lot of debate to be had about whether the fault here should lie with the professor or the students. My general opinion is that if everyone is doing poorly it's the professor's fault, and after reading the Reddit thread I see nothing to justify an exception here. And none of this has anything to do with critical race theory or any other right wing dog-whistle. Also, since when did right-wingers care about higher education? I suspect most of them are cheering the reputational damage to NYU. The false shows of concern about the future of higher ed are just about as transparent as it's possible for them to be.