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Now that you have been through it, do you think you would be able to reasonably emulate the cognitive aspect of the experience, leaving aside all of the ~emotio

Now that you have been through it, do you think you would be able to reasonably emulate the cognitive aspect of the experience, leaving aside all of the ~emotional/experiential aspects of it? --------- EDIT: I've exceeded my three posts per day limit but am keenly interested in this topic, so will reply here hoping you will see it (if not, I will re-post as a reply tomorrow): > Like, can I observe myself more readily without judgement and emotion? Yeah, I think these experiences teach me to do that in new and fascinating ways over time, but it is absolutely iterative. If you're asking if I can make the same discoveries without LSD now that I've done it once, maybe - but I doubt it. Many of the chains LSD relieves you of you are so accustomed to having that you may not even know they're present. I'm aiming for much more nuanced detail (a trick: think of what we are discussing as a project that you are being paid to implement, which can facilitate the application of the full horsepower of your mind to the idea). I think the key word here is "emulate" - you experienced an alternative but genuinely real & "true" mode of operation of your mind, one that is superior in some ways: - I entered a state of mind where I got to visualize all the paths a thought could branch to - and what ark that would carry on my thinking in the long term - once I accepted my circumstances I was able to observe without fear - I learned a tool for observing without expectation or controls If you break your experience down into discrete bullet points like this, and you conceptualize them as services or implementations, and then you apply some of your standard computing analysis skills to the whole thing, do you believe it may possible (for you, or someone) to achieve a (crude or otherwise) reproduction/emulation of these abilities?

kodah 4y ago
Like, can I observe myself more readily without judgement and emotion? Yeah, I think these experiences teach me to do that in new and fascinating ways over time, but it is absolutely iterative. If you're asking if I can make the same discoveries without LSD now that I've done it once, maybe - but I doubt it. Many of the chains LSD relieves you of you are so accustomed to having that you may not even know they're present.
kodah 4y ago
Responding to the edit: I don't think I could emulate it, but maybe someone with a different mind could. Categorically, my mind isn't visual with things like math. It's more process oriented. Visualizing DFS on thought paths would probably be very short lived for me; like maybe I could imagine an outcome being possible but I wouldn't fluidly move down that graph node-to-node the way it was visualized that time. Another thing is that while I am very process oriented and use process to deal with things like emotions, I am still a very emotional human being. It would be tough to separate myself from that trait without some metaphorical grease. LSD removes a lot of the inhibitions you have with respect to `self` or `this` in programming terms. Observations occur without judgement of yourself or others; it's just a pure observation. In fact, I might say that you actually learn to appreciate things differently. The nice thing is that those things don't stay; you have to choose to copy over the attitudes and incentives you found in your trip to make them stay. Thus, change is pretty incremental.
- mistermann 4y ago
  > Categorically, my mind isn't visual with things like math. It's more process oriented. Visualizing DFS on thought paths would probably be very short lived for me; like maybe I could imagine an outcome being possible but I wouldn't fluidly move down that graph node-to-node the way it was visualized that time. Another thing is that while I am very process oriented and use process to deal with things like emotions, I am still a very emotional human being. It would be tough to separate myself from that trait without some metaphorical grease. What if you used a piece of paper to keep track of computation, or even better: custom written software? And then on top of it, used some techniques to remove time from interfering with computation (something which can also be experienced on psychedelics)?

kodah 4y ago

Like, can I observe myself more readily without judgement and emotion? Yeah, I think these experiences teach me to do that in new and fascinating ways over time, but it is absolutely iterative. If you're asking if I can make the same discoveries without LSD now that I've done it once, maybe - but I doubt it. Many of the chains LSD relieves you of you are so accustomed to having that you may not even know they're present.

kodah 4y ago

Responding to the edit: I don't think I could emulate it, but maybe someone with a different mind could. Categorically, my mind isn't visual with things like math. It's more process oriented. Visualizing DFS on thought paths would probably be very short lived for me; like maybe I could imagine an outcome being possible but I wouldn't fluidly move down that graph node-to-node the way it was visualized that time. Another thing is that while I am very process oriented and use process to deal with things like emotions, I am still a very emotional human being. It would be tough to separate myself from that trait without some metaphorical grease. LSD removes a lot of the inhibitions you have with respect to `self` or `this` in programming terms. Observations occur without judgement of yourself or others; it's just a pure observation. In fact, I might say that you actually learn to appreciate things differently. The nice thing is that those things don't stay; you have to choose to copy over the attitudes and incentives you found in your trip to make them stay. Thus, change is pretty incremental.

mistermann 4y ago
> Categorically, my mind isn't visual with things like math. It's more process oriented. Visualizing DFS on thought paths would probably be very short lived for me; like maybe I could imagine an outcome being possible but I wouldn't fluidly move down that graph node-to-node the way it was visualized that time. Another thing is that while I am very process oriented and use process to deal with things like emotions, I am still a very emotional human being. It would be tough to separate myself from that trait without some metaphorical grease. What if you used a piece of paper to keep track of computation, or even better: custom written software? And then on top of it, used some techniques to remove time from interfering with computation (something which can also be experienced on psychedelics)?