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Well, I don't agree with OP, but the Chinese government is way more involved with its companies than the US is. Here, ostensibly, there's a court and legal proc

Well, I don't agree with OP, but the Chinese government is way more involved with its companies than the US is. Here, ostensibly, there's a court and legal process - versus China, where the government has all data by default. So, any Chinese tech company is de facto going to have all of its data accessible by the Chinese government, by default.

user_named 4y ago
It's interesting to see you make these claims when you know nothing about the workings of the legal system in China.
- kryptiskt 4y ago
  By Chinese law all data must be made accessible to the government. Of course, it's also an authoritarian state where the government isn't hamstrung by the legal system in any way.
- indemnity 4y ago
  What legal system? The legal system in China is whatever the party wants it to be.
  - tehjoker 4y ago
    it's funny you raise that point right after the abortion decision here
- parker_mountain 4y ago
  > know nothing about the workings of the legal system in China Hello, I'm an appsec engineer working on product privacy for a large multinational company. I have a pretty accurate, battle tested, mental model about data privacy w/r/t international verticals. I have worked with our China vertical and also worked on key escrow separation models. You might even be able to figure out which company, based on the above. It's interesting to see you make these claims about me when you know nothing about me.
sumedh 4y ago
> Here, ostensibly, there's a court and legal process On December 16, 2005, The New York Times reported that the Bush administration had been conducting surveillance against U.S. citizens without specific approval from the FISA court for each case since 2002. In 2011, the Obama administration secretly won permission from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to reverse restrictions on the National Security Agency's use of intercepted phone calls and e-mails, permitting the agency to search deliberately for Americans' communications in its massive databases. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intellig...

user_named 4y ago

It's interesting to see you make these claims when you know nothing about the workings of the legal system in China.

kryptiskt 4y ago
By Chinese law all data must be made accessible to the government. Of course, it's also an authoritarian state where the government isn't hamstrung by the legal system in any way.
indemnity 4y ago
What legal system? The legal system in China is whatever the party wants it to be.
- tehjoker 4y ago
  it's funny you raise that point right after the abortion decision here
parker_mountain 4y ago
> know nothing about the workings of the legal system in China Hello, I'm an appsec engineer working on product privacy for a large multinational company. I have a pretty accurate, battle tested, mental model about data privacy w/r/t international verticals. I have worked with our China vertical and also worked on key escrow separation models. You might even be able to figure out which company, based on the above. It's interesting to see you make these claims about me when you know nothing about me.

sumedh 4y ago

> Here, ostensibly, there's a court and legal process On December 16, 2005, The New York Times reported that the Bush administration had been conducting surveillance against U.S. citizens without specific approval from the FISA court for each case since 2002. In 2011, the Obama administration secretly won permission from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to reverse restrictions on the National Security Agency's use of intercepted phone calls and e-mails, permitting the agency to search deliberately for Americans' communications in its massive databases. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intellig...