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Who exactly is doing the mandating though? And then it’s just a matter of time until the political party in power starts having their opposition committed for

Who exactly is doing the mandating though? And then it’s just a matter of time until the political party in power starts having their opposition committed for being “dangerously mentally ill”.

kelseyfrog 4y ago
What's stopping that from happening now? We already have the Baker Act and CA's 5x50s.
- NoraCodes 4y ago
  And, indeed, when homosexuality and transness were considered mental illnesses, people were, in fact, abused using those laws. Some minors in the US are still involuntarily sent to "mental health" or "adolescent behavior" programs that are just conversion therapy centers.
  - Minor49er 4y ago
    > Some minors in the US are still involuntarily sent to "mental health" or "adolescent behavior" programs that are just conversion therapy centers Are you talking about the kids who are identified as trans and put into conversion therapy?
    - NoraCodes 4y ago
      Not only trans; many gay children and generally gender-nonconforming minors go through this.
      - Minor49er 4y ago
        Oh, I was asking about the opposite, where kids are identified as being trans by adults, so they are put into conversion therapy which includes dangerous things like puberty blockers and hormone treatments. Also I don't think there's such a thing as gay children since kids aren't sexually active
        NoraCodes 4y ago
        Wow, that's a lot of bullshit in one comment. - "Conversion therapy" generally means programs designed to make children straight, and I have never heard anyone use it the way you're using it - Puberty blockers are routinely used for precocious puberty in non-trans children, and are no more dangerous than any other routine medical intervention - Given how difficult it is for minors who themselves insist that they are trans to access medical care, and the fact that I can't find any credible reports of such things happening, I don't believe you when you insinuate that adults force children into transition - Being gay doesn't require sexual activity; we accept that straight minors can experience romantic feelings, and it's not at all frowned upon in American culture. Asserting that gay minors cannot also experience romantic feelings is simple homophobia. I was a bisexual child before I became a bisexual adult, and I dated people of the same sex in high school.
        Minor49er 4y ago
        I think you meant to "here's" instead of "that's". I haven't heard of anyone using "conversion therapy" on children to make them straight (maybe for teens or adults in the 60s or something, and in fringe groups after that). But there is certainly a booming industry around giving children puberty blockers and hormone therapy Also there aren't trans children without adults who are leading them into believing that they are in the wrong body, be it through positive reinforcement, abuse, or whatever other means Your final point is pretty loaded. Children don't have romantic feelings, but they will express fondness for others by emulating things that they see adults doing. I don't think you were a "bisexual child" since you were (hopefully) not being sexually engaged as a child
        kelseyfrog 4y ago
        It's pretty easy to become familiar with conversion therapy information if one wishes to. An estimated 350,000[1] children have received such therapy. I hope this information finds you well. 1. https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Conversion-Therapy-Update-Jun-2019.pdf https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Co...

Who exactly is doing the mandating though? And then it’s just a matter of time until the political party in power starts having their opposition committed for being “dangerously mentally ill”.

kelseyfrog 4y ago

What's stopping that from happening now? We already have the Baker Act and CA's 5x50s.

NoraCodes 4y ago
And, indeed, when homosexuality and transness were considered mental illnesses, people were, in fact, abused using those laws. Some minors in the US are still involuntarily sent to "mental health" or "adolescent behavior" programs that are just conversion therapy centers.
- Minor49er 4y ago
  > Some minors in the US are still involuntarily sent to "mental health" or "adolescent behavior" programs that are just conversion therapy centers Are you talking about the kids who are identified as trans and put into conversion therapy?
  - NoraCodes 4y ago
    Not only trans; many gay children and generally gender-nonconforming minors go through this.
    - Minor49er 4y ago
      Oh, I was asking about the opposite, where kids are identified as being trans by adults, so they are put into conversion therapy which includes dangerous things like puberty blockers and hormone treatments. Also I don't think there's such a thing as gay children since kids aren't sexually active
      - NoraCodes 4y ago
        Wow, that's a lot of bullshit in one comment. - "Conversion therapy" generally means programs designed to make children straight, and I have never heard anyone use it the way you're using it - Puberty blockers are routinely used for precocious puberty in non-trans children, and are no more dangerous than any other routine medical intervention - Given how difficult it is for minors who themselves insist that they are trans to access medical care, and the fact that I can't find any credible reports of such things happening, I don't believe you when you insinuate that adults force children into transition - Being gay doesn't require sexual activity; we accept that straight minors can experience romantic feelings, and it's not at all frowned upon in American culture. Asserting that gay minors cannot also experience romantic feelings is simple homophobia. I was a bisexual child before I became a bisexual adult, and I dated people of the same sex in high school.
        Minor49er 4y ago
        I think you meant to "here's" instead of "that's". I haven't heard of anyone using "conversion therapy" on children to make them straight (maybe for teens or adults in the 60s or something, and in fringe groups after that). But there is certainly a booming industry around giving children puberty blockers and hormone therapy Also there aren't trans children without adults who are leading them into believing that they are in the wrong body, be it through positive reinforcement, abuse, or whatever other means Your final point is pretty loaded. Children don't have romantic feelings, but they will express fondness for others by emulating things that they see adults doing. I don't think you were a "bisexual child" since you were (hopefully) not being sexually engaged as a child
        kelseyfrog 4y ago
        It's pretty easy to become familiar with conversion therapy information if one wishes to. An estimated 350,000[1] children have received such therapy. I hope this information finds you well. 1. https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Conversion-Therapy-Update-Jun-2019.pdf https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Co...