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Because they're already jumping to a biased conclusion by asking the question. Heart disease was a top killer before Covid existed. For all we know he ate poorl

Because they're already jumping to a biased conclusion by asking the question. Heart disease was a top killer before Covid existed. For all we know he ate poorly but still looked fit. Or had a genetic condition. So why even ask that question here? Covid/vaccine related questions should best be left to topics concerning large scale studies, not a single tragic instance.

mdp2021 4y ago
> Because they're already jumping to a biased conclusion by asking the question You «jump[] to a biased conclusion» only when the conclusion is held - which you cannot conclude. The poster should keep it open: you should do the same. As you are mandated by the guidelines and the constraint against weak interpretations.
- watwut 4y ago
  There is also zero reason to assume he was vaccinated while traveling through multiple foreign countries. The vaccination status questions appear, because the theories about this being caused by covid vaccination flew over internet in anti vaccine circles. Just like every time famous person dies. The the whole political goal of these questions is to imply he was killed by vaccination while not needing to prove anything. And it IS manipulative political question. We don't know his vaccination status nor when he was vaccinated. That happens to be private health information.
  - walterbell 4y ago
    > while traveling through multiple foreign countries. On the contrary, there are cases where people flying through multiple countries which have different approaches to health treatments have ended up taking multiple pharmaceutical interventions, one per nation-state sanctioned regime, where there have been zero clinical trials on that specific combination of treatments. To be pro or anti "vaccine" is as meaningless as being pro or anti "software" or "chemical" or "food". Details matter. We are currently in the world's largest, unprecedented scientific experiment, and we are fortunate that the vast majority of participants have been healthy. Data from the outliers will be studied for decades to come and future generations will honor their sacrifice and contribution to science.
    - watwut 4y ago
      Before traveling, yes. During traveling, no it does not make much sense. Especially due to the way health insurance works - it will pay if you get sick but usually not for vaccinations etc. > To be pro or anti "vaccine" is as meaningless as being pro or anti "software" or "chemical" or "food". Details matter. We are specifically talking about covid-19 vaccines. ? We are currently in the world's largest, unprecedented scientific experiment, and we are fortunate that the vast majority of participants have been healthy. You are lying. Practically, it is not experiment. > Data from the outliers will be studied for decades to come and future generations will honor their sacrifice and contribution to science. What does that have to do with whether trying to imply vaccines are responsible for Kim Jung Gi? Literally for no reason other then "I want it to and it would confirm my priors".
      - walterbell 4y ago
        > Practically, it is not experiment. The U.S. NIH says otherwise, e.g. here is one of the ongoing clinical studies, which continues through March 2023, https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04848584 https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04848584 Study Type: Observational Official Title: Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 BNT162b2 Vaccine Effectiveness Study - Kaiser Permanente Southern California Actual Study Start Date: May 15, 2021 Estimated Primary Completion Date: March 31, 2023 Estimated Study Completion Date: March 31, 2023 > covid-19 vaccines WHO lists 11 vaccines and 4 types, each with different mechanisms of action, effectiveness and safety, https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/agency/who/ https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/agency/who/ Protein subunit RNA Non Replicating Viral Vector Inactivated Virus
        watwut 4y ago
        There being ongoing related studies does not mean the whole vaccination thing is experiment. The level of manipulativeness and appeals to emotions rather then logic are super high higher. Also there are way more then just 11 vaccines all in all.
        4y ago
  - t0bia_s 4y ago
    "Just like every time famous person dies." Only for those who are healthy and suddenly die because of chest pain. Also when you know personaly people that are seriously ill or dead because of vaccines, than it is really hard to not ask questions. "That happens to be private health information." It was and it should be. But since our governments decided to make those information mandatory for for/entrance to various places/etc., it is not private anymore.
    - aceazzameen 4y ago
      But you're jumping to conclusions he was healthy. Why? And then why the conversation asking if he was vaccinated? Why is no one asking about heart disease? Is it because vaccines have become political? Cardiovascular and heart disease information: https://www.who.int/health-topics/cardiovascular-diseases/#tab=tab_1 https://www.who.int/health-topics/cardiovascular-diseases/#t... https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm
      - t0bia_s 4y ago
        I don't know about his private medical information, but from photographs of Kim I suggest that he was in good shape. You speak about how political vaccines are and share links to most political institutions we have. How ironic is this?
  - uwagar 4y ago
    guess he must be fully vaccinated to enter (he was boarding plane to New York) USA? or he must be a USA citizen or permanent resident i think?
    - watwut 4y ago
      Yes. And he traveled through multiple countries and travelled a lot due to his work. It is quite unlikely he got vaccination shortly before his hearth attack. He would have had to have it while traveling for it to be close enough rather then, more sensibly, him taking vaccine at home around time most people took one.
t0bia_s 4y ago
"Because they're already jumping to a biased conclusion by asking the question." Well... Maybe your conclusion is biased. "Covid/vaccine related questions should best be left to topics concerning large scale studies, not a single tragic instance." Why? I prefer individual, non-anonymous source of data. Without conclusions.
- aceazzameen 4y ago
  Because you're not going to get any answers of substance in this topic. A person died of a possible heart related condition. Why are there so many people asking if he was vaccinated? What does that have to do here? How come no one is asking if he oversalted his food every day? Frankly, vaccination questions in this topic are off-topic.
  - t0bia_s 4y ago
    Well maybe because more and more people have some bad experience with vaccines. Question, that are not comfortable to answer for you, are not necessarily off-topic.
    - aceazzameen 4y ago
      It's not about my comfort, it's about you jumping to a conclusion without giving any other possibility equal weight.
      - t0bia_s 4y ago
        That is your conclusion. I just asked question. Which is, for you, automatically concluded. But you still gave me no answer for that question, which could be really considered as offtopic.

mdp2021 4y ago

> Because they're already jumping to a biased conclusion by asking the question You «jump[] to a biased conclusion» only when the conclusion is held - which you cannot conclude. The poster should keep it open: you should do the same. As you are mandated by the guidelines and the constraint against weak interpretations.

watwut 4y ago
There is also zero reason to assume he was vaccinated while traveling through multiple foreign countries. The vaccination status questions appear, because the theories about this being caused by covid vaccination flew over internet in anti vaccine circles. Just like every time famous person dies. The the whole political goal of these questions is to imply he was killed by vaccination while not needing to prove anything. And it IS manipulative political question. We don't know his vaccination status nor when he was vaccinated. That happens to be private health information.
- walterbell 4y ago
  > while traveling through multiple foreign countries. On the contrary, there are cases where people flying through multiple countries which have different approaches to health treatments have ended up taking multiple pharmaceutical interventions, one per nation-state sanctioned regime, where there have been zero clinical trials on that specific combination of treatments. To be pro or anti "vaccine" is as meaningless as being pro or anti "software" or "chemical" or "food". Details matter. We are currently in the world's largest, unprecedented scientific experiment, and we are fortunate that the vast majority of participants have been healthy. Data from the outliers will be studied for decades to come and future generations will honor their sacrifice and contribution to science.
  - watwut 4y ago
    Before traveling, yes. During traveling, no it does not make much sense. Especially due to the way health insurance works - it will pay if you get sick but usually not for vaccinations etc. > To be pro or anti "vaccine" is as meaningless as being pro or anti "software" or "chemical" or "food". Details matter. We are specifically talking about covid-19 vaccines. ? We are currently in the world's largest, unprecedented scientific experiment, and we are fortunate that the vast majority of participants have been healthy. You are lying. Practically, it is not experiment. > Data from the outliers will be studied for decades to come and future generations will honor their sacrifice and contribution to science. What does that have to do with whether trying to imply vaccines are responsible for Kim Jung Gi? Literally for no reason other then "I want it to and it would confirm my priors".
    - walterbell 4y ago
      > Practically, it is not experiment. The U.S. NIH says otherwise, e.g. here is one of the ongoing clinical studies, which continues through March 2023, https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04848584 https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04848584 Study Type: Observational Official Title: Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 BNT162b2 Vaccine Effectiveness Study - Kaiser Permanente Southern California Actual Study Start Date: May 15, 2021 Estimated Primary Completion Date: March 31, 2023 Estimated Study Completion Date: March 31, 2023 > covid-19 vaccines WHO lists 11 vaccines and 4 types, each with different mechanisms of action, effectiveness and safety, https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/agency/who/ https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/agency/who/ Protein subunit RNA Non Replicating Viral Vector Inactivated Virus
      - watwut 4y ago
        There being ongoing related studies does not mean the whole vaccination thing is experiment. The level of manipulativeness and appeals to emotions rather then logic are super high higher. Also there are way more then just 11 vaccines all in all.
        4y ago
- t0bia_s 4y ago
  "Just like every time famous person dies." Only for those who are healthy and suddenly die because of chest pain. Also when you know personaly people that are seriously ill or dead because of vaccines, than it is really hard to not ask questions. "That happens to be private health information." It was and it should be. But since our governments decided to make those information mandatory for for/entrance to various places/etc., it is not private anymore.
  - aceazzameen 4y ago
    But you're jumping to conclusions he was healthy. Why? And then why the conversation asking if he was vaccinated? Why is no one asking about heart disease? Is it because vaccines have become political? Cardiovascular and heart disease information: https://www.who.int/health-topics/cardiovascular-diseases/#tab=tab_1 https://www.who.int/health-topics/cardiovascular-diseases/#t... https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm
    - t0bia_s 4y ago
      I don't know about his private medical information, but from photographs of Kim I suggest that he was in good shape. You speak about how political vaccines are and share links to most political institutions we have. How ironic is this?
- uwagar 4y ago
  guess he must be fully vaccinated to enter (he was boarding plane to New York) USA? or he must be a USA citizen or permanent resident i think?
  - watwut 4y ago
    Yes. And he traveled through multiple countries and travelled a lot due to his work. It is quite unlikely he got vaccination shortly before his hearth attack. He would have had to have it while traveling for it to be close enough rather then, more sensibly, him taking vaccine at home around time most people took one.

t0bia_s 4y ago

"Because they're already jumping to a biased conclusion by asking the question." Well... Maybe your conclusion is biased. "Covid/vaccine related questions should best be left to topics concerning large scale studies, not a single tragic instance." Why? I prefer individual, non-anonymous source of data. Without conclusions.

aceazzameen 4y ago
Because you're not going to get any answers of substance in this topic. A person died of a possible heart related condition. Why are there so many people asking if he was vaccinated? What does that have to do here? How come no one is asking if he oversalted his food every day? Frankly, vaccination questions in this topic are off-topic.
- t0bia_s 4y ago
  Well maybe because more and more people have some bad experience with vaccines. Question, that are not comfortable to answer for you, are not necessarily off-topic.
  - aceazzameen 4y ago
    It's not about my comfort, it's about you jumping to a conclusion without giving any other possibility equal weight.
    - t0bia_s 4y ago
      That is your conclusion. I just asked question. Which is, for you, automatically concluded. But you still gave me no answer for that question, which could be really considered as offtopic.