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No, you just need to require proof proportional to the severity of claims. E.g. no point in distrusting Alex on his account of eating ramen for breakfast if it
by lostmsu 4y ago
No, you just need to require proof proportional to the severity of claims.
E.g. no point in distrusting Alex on his account of eating ramen for breakfast if it does not materially affect you.
- bjt2n3904 4y agoPrecisely this! If you want to tell me that I forgot that I was arrested that night, the response is a very blunt "provide convincing proof that doesn't require me to trust you, or bug off". Being vigilant for fakes is very time consuming too. Especially given some of the scam tricks, like "call the fraud and abuse hotline at 1-800..." -- except that number was provided by the scammer.
- PuppyTailWags 4y agoI would like to push back against accepting gaslighting if it doesn't appear to materially affect you at the time. You make yourself vulnerable to being gaslit about how materially affecting it can be to you. This is how abusers destroy the identity of their victims over time, through continually downplaying their harm and convincing the victim they are not being injured. This makes it extremely hard for someone to leave their abuser, because their psychological state has been warped that being abused is the norm and therefore there's nothing better than the abuse out there. If Alex is willing to lie and also gaslight someone about breakfast, Alex isn't safe to be around. Especially for someone who has been previously abused.
- autoexec 4y agoI don't think anyone was suggesting you should still be fine with Alex if you caught him manipulating you, only that it's silly and pointless to be immediately distrusting and demand a bunch of evidence when someone makes a claim that doesn't matter. That is, be generally trusting of Alex (and everyone else) as long as the stakes are low.
- PuppyTailWags 4y agoThat wasn't clear from your original post, sorry, it read more to me that there is a level of gaslighting that is generally acceptable. I think even if the stakes are low, someone who lies and gaslights over low stakes is no longer a low stakes scenario.
- P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago> If Alex is willing to lie and also gaslight someone about breakfast, Alex isn't safe to be around. If a man lies and tells his wife she doesn't look fat in that outfit, is he unsafe to be around? I know it's generational, but I really can't wait for reasonableness to be vogue again.
- danparsonson 4y agoLying and gaslighting are two different things. Gaslighting involves lying but is also about invalidating the victim's memory and feelings in an attempt to control them in some way. Telling a partner they look good is not generally gaslighting.
- P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y agooh I'm sorry... if a man gaslights and tells his wife she doesn't look fat in that outfit...
- danparsonson 4y agoAgain, those are two different things.
- PuppyTailWags 4y agoLying isn't the same thing. In that moment, the man is just being dishonest. Later, if the wife brings up the incident and the man claims it both never happened and she constantly makes shit up like this, then yes he is gaslighting and is deeply unsafe.