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I think your post only highlights the points the parent was making - we pick and choose what "facts" we want to believe and then never change our opinion. When

by Alupis 4y ago

I think your post only highlights the points the parent was making - we pick and choose what "facts" we want to believe and then never change our opinion. When these "facts" are debunked days, weeks, months or years later, we just move on and pretend it didn't happen or talk out of the side of our mouth about how there's still some sliver truth there. If it doesn't help our team, then it can't possibly be true. Objectively, Hunter's laptop is a scandal of epic proportions. It's very difficult to view it's content and revelations as anything but deeply unethical - and it's impossible to believe "The Big Guy" is not in fact Joe Biden, our President. We even had one of Hunter's former business partners come out and explicitly state it - yet nobody wants to talk about that either. Additionally, it's impossible to not conclude the FBI was deeply involved in a cover up right at election time to suppress this information. However, here we are, trying to say it means nothing. We accused the Trump family of everything the Biden family is objectively involved with... except we had zero evidence against the Trump family (despite years of relentless investigations) and have mountains of it against the Biden family... yet nobody cares. Years of investigations catalyzed by a fake dossier paid for by the Clinton campaign... yet nobody wants to talk about that either. Perhaps we're too far lost at this point...

phailhaus 4y ago
> We accused the Trump family of everything the Biden family is objectively involved with... except we had zero evidence against the Trump family (despite years of relentless investigations) Please, this is absurd. No president has had more of his associates go to jail than Trump [1], and Mueller's investigation found that Trump knew about Russian interference, chose to do nothing since it helped him, and obstructed justice [2]. And now we know that he stole Top Secret/SCI documents from the country [3], and has yet to return all of them [4]. These attempts to make "the Biden crime family" a meme are very weak and fall flat on their face. [1] https://www.thedailybeast.com/all-of-the-trumpworld-figures-whove-been-arrested-indicted-or-jailed https://www.thedailybeast.com/all-of-the-trumpworld-figures-... [2] https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/22/us/politics/trump-mar-a-lago-documents.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/22/us/politics/trump-mar-a-l... [4] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/01/us/politics/trump-white-house-records-national-archives.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/01/us/politics/trump-white-h...
- Alupis 4y ago
  A few guys going to jail for unpaid taxes decades before does not help your view that the Mueller Investigation was a smashing success. They ruined a bunch of lives for cheap political gain, found zero evidence of collusion with Russia, and proved the insinuation of collusion was fake from the beginning as we now know but won't admit. You only make this point even stronger. > And now we know that he stole Top Secret/SCI documents from the country, and has yet to return all of them This is very much an unfinished story. But, nothing I say will change your mind, and no real facts coming out will change it either. Which is the point the GP was making... despite reality, we all pretend our team does no wrong.
  - phailhaus 4y ago
    > This is very much an unfinished story. And the story about Hunter's laptop isn't? Do you see how you're giving yourself a pass but you want to "wait for the whole story" when the DOJ successfully executed a search warrant for top secret documents on the former president?
    - Alupis 4y ago
      No, not at all. We have all of the content from Hunter's Laptop at this time, and there is no investigation that will happen. We know for a fact the story was buried deliberately, we even have the likes of Mark Zuckerberg corroborating as much, indicating the FBI directed Facebook to suppress "misinformation" about the Biden campaign. We do not have all the content from the Classified Documents story - in fact it's in court right this very second being hammered out. So no... this isn't a free pass of any sort. > DOJ successfully executed a search warrant for top secret documents on the former president I fail to see how this means there was wrong doing. Are we not waiting for the case to actually be litigated, or have we already made up our mind before the facts are known? AKA - what the GP asserted and you have fallen straight into.
      - phailhaus 4y ago
        Given that you have been complaining about cherrypicking facts/narratives by the other side, you need to acknowledge the fact that you are doing that at this very moment. You are handwaving away one of the biggest stories in the DOJ's history, a search warrant executed against a former president. We know he has top secret documents, we know they were not declassified, and we know they were held negligently while mixed up with magazines in a comically insecure facility. You have to admit that this is as big if not bigger than "Hunter's laptop", because otherwise all you're really saying is "I want them to talk about MY stories and not THEIRS!"

by Alupis 4y ago

phailhaus 4y ago

> We accused the Trump family of everything the Biden family is objectively involved with... except we had zero evidence against the Trump family (despite years of relentless investigations) Please, this is absurd. No president has had more of his associates go to jail than Trump [1], and Mueller's investigation found that Trump knew about Russian interference, chose to do nothing since it helped him, and obstructed justice [2]. And now we know that he stole Top Secret/SCI documents from the country [3], and has yet to return all of them [4]. These attempts to make "the Biden crime family" a meme are very weak and fall flat on their face. [1] https://www.thedailybeast.com/all-of-the-trumpworld-figures-whove-been-arrested-indicted-or-jailed https://www.thedailybeast.com/all-of-the-trumpworld-figures-... [2] https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/22/us/politics/trump-mar-a-lago-documents.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/22/us/politics/trump-mar-a-l... [4] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/01/us/politics/trump-white-house-records-national-archives.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/01/us/politics/trump-white-h...

Alupis 4y ago
A few guys going to jail for unpaid taxes decades before does not help your view that the Mueller Investigation was a smashing success. They ruined a bunch of lives for cheap political gain, found zero evidence of collusion with Russia, and proved the insinuation of collusion was fake from the beginning as we now know but won't admit. You only make this point even stronger. > And now we know that he stole Top Secret/SCI documents from the country, and has yet to return all of them This is very much an unfinished story. But, nothing I say will change your mind, and no real facts coming out will change it either. Which is the point the GP was making... despite reality, we all pretend our team does no wrong.
- phailhaus 4y ago
  > This is very much an unfinished story. And the story about Hunter's laptop isn't? Do you see how you're giving yourself a pass but you want to "wait for the whole story" when the DOJ successfully executed a search warrant for top secret documents on the former president?
  - Alupis 4y ago
    No, not at all. We have all of the content from Hunter's Laptop at this time, and there is no investigation that will happen. We know for a fact the story was buried deliberately, we even have the likes of Mark Zuckerberg corroborating as much, indicating the FBI directed Facebook to suppress "misinformation" about the Biden campaign. We do not have all the content from the Classified Documents story - in fact it's in court right this very second being hammered out. So no... this isn't a free pass of any sort. > DOJ successfully executed a search warrant for top secret documents on the former president I fail to see how this means there was wrong doing. Are we not waiting for the case to actually be litigated, or have we already made up our mind before the facts are known? AKA - what the GP asserted and you have fallen straight into.
    - phailhaus 4y ago
      Given that you have been complaining about cherrypicking facts/narratives by the other side, you need to acknowledge the fact that you are doing that at this very moment. You are handwaving away one of the biggest stories in the DOJ's history, a search warrant executed against a former president. We know he has top secret documents, we know they were not declassified, and we know they were held negligently while mixed up with magazines in a comically insecure facility. You have to admit that this is as big if not bigger than "Hunter's laptop", because otherwise all you're really saying is "I want them to talk about MY stories and not THEIRS!"