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Off topic but their product seems awesome - VR computers specifically designed for coding, including displaying small text, running Linux, etc. Beats working fr

by nailer 4y ago

Off topic but their product seems awesome - VR computers specifically designed for coding, including displaying small text, running Linux, etc. Beats working from a coding laptop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x293SiEdv4M&t=25s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x293SiEdv4M&t=25s

kanetw 4y ago
It's a bit tooting my own horn but when I first put on the prototype it was really satisfying. Incredibly crisp.
whateveracct 4y ago
It really is - and on the topic of "competition".. Meta is not a competitor to Simula and honestly never will be because they will never give you Freedom to run Linux and hack to your heart's content. But Simula is a competitor to Meta in that their existence gives people like me a serious (non-toy) VR headset they'd actually buy. So the reason Meta has competition from Simula is because they're terrible from a consumer-privacy and -respect perspective.
- MikusR 4y ago
  Quest runs Android and Android run on Linux.
  - selfhoster11 4y ago
    So? Android is Linux only in the most technical sense, but not in the sense most people care about. - you’re not free to switch distros like you can with conventional Linux hardware - you cannot run a conventional Linux userland except for sad parodies of it that work out of a “chroot” - X11 and Wayland support is limited Android is diet Linux, not the real thing.
  - whateveracct 4y ago
    That's only technically correct. I'd say given the words I said around "Linux," your response is pedantic at best. Android is in no way what I want. And is it Open and Free? Can I do whatever I want with it? Can I install NixOS Mobile? Jailbreaking doesn't count since we are talking about official product offerings. If I can't run my own software from source + make my device completely decoupled from Meta, it isn't a competitor of Simula to me.
    - MikusR 4y ago
      https://developer.oculus.com/blog/unlocking-oculus-go/ https://developer.oculus.com/blog/unlocking-oculus-go/
      - whateveracct 4y ago
        So - their discontinued model?
nickstinemates 4y ago
Reminds me of Immersed[1]. Which is an amazing concept but horrible on the Oculus. Literally makes me sick - and screen resolution/clarity leaves a lot to be desired if you're already at 4k/144hz. I can't wait until someone cracks the code on this and makes it a reality. 1: https://medium.com/immersedteam/working-from-orbit-39bf95a6d385 https://medium.com/immersedteam/working-from-orbit-39bf95a6d...
- kanetw 4y ago
  Yeah, Immersed popped up alongside us. A big reason of why we went the hardware route (as an originally pure software product) was that the existing hardware was not good enough. Having worked with the prototype headset, I can fairly confidently say that at least the picture quality is now good enough (with our optical train/displays)

by nailer 4y ago

kanetw 4y ago

It's a bit tooting my own horn but when I first put on the prototype it was really satisfying. Incredibly crisp.

whateveracct 4y ago

It really is - and on the topic of "competition".. Meta is not a competitor to Simula and honestly never will be because they will never give you Freedom to run Linux and hack to your heart's content. But Simula is a competitor to Meta in that their existence gives people like me a serious (non-toy) VR headset they'd actually buy. So the reason Meta has competition from Simula is because they're terrible from a consumer-privacy and -respect perspective.

MikusR 4y ago
Quest runs Android and Android run on Linux.
- selfhoster11 4y ago
  So? Android is Linux only in the most technical sense, but not in the sense most people care about. - you’re not free to switch distros like you can with conventional Linux hardware - you cannot run a conventional Linux userland except for sad parodies of it that work out of a “chroot” - X11 and Wayland support is limited Android is diet Linux, not the real thing.
- whateveracct 4y ago
  That's only technically correct. I'd say given the words I said around "Linux," your response is pedantic at best. Android is in no way what I want. And is it Open and Free? Can I do whatever I want with it? Can I install NixOS Mobile? Jailbreaking doesn't count since we are talking about official product offerings. If I can't run my own software from source + make my device completely decoupled from Meta, it isn't a competitor of Simula to me.
  - MikusR 4y ago
    https://developer.oculus.com/blog/unlocking-oculus-go/ https://developer.oculus.com/blog/unlocking-oculus-go/
    - whateveracct 4y ago
      So - their discontinued model?

nickstinemates 4y ago

Reminds me of Immersed[1]. Which is an amazing concept but horrible on the Oculus. Literally makes me sick - and screen resolution/clarity leaves a lot to be desired if you're already at 4k/144hz. I can't wait until someone cracks the code on this and makes it a reality. 1: https://medium.com/immersedteam/working-from-orbit-39bf95a6d385 https://medium.com/immersedteam/working-from-orbit-39bf95a6d...

kanetw 4y ago
Yeah, Immersed popped up alongside us. A big reason of why we went the hardware route (as an originally pure software product) was that the existing hardware was not good enough. Having worked with the prototype headset, I can fairly confidently say that at least the picture quality is now good enough (with our optical train/displays)