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How does that change anything? Kids who barely miss out on MIT arent sleeping on the streets. They are at good state schools or other top privates.

by ryan93 4y ago

sokoloff 4y ago
Indeed, and there are some studies to back that up. Excerpt from https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/does-it-matter-where-you-go-college/577816/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/does-it-ma... But what appears obvious may not be true. In November 2002, the Quarterly Journal of Economics published a landmark paper by the economists Stacy Dale and Alan Krueger that reached a startling conclusion. For most students, the salary boost from going to a super-selective school is “generally indistinguishable from zero” after adjusting for student characteristics, such as test scores. In other words, if Mike and Drew have the same SAT scores and apply to the same colleges, but Mike gets into Harvard and Drew doesn’t, they can still expect to earn the same income throughout their careers. Despite Harvard’s international fame and energetic alumni outreach, somebody like Mike would not experience an observable “Harvard effect.” Dale and Krueger even found that the average SAT scores of all the schools a student applies to is a more powerful predictor of success than the school that student actually attends.
ffwszgf 4y ago
At the end of the day the only real solution to the problem of inequity/representation will end up being hard quotas that roughly maintain a demographic balance at top institutions. At that point you can make most competition intra-racial with obvious carve outs for socioeconomic, sexual and gender minorities. the devil is in the details as to how such a controversial system could be implemented but it’d be a trial-and-error process for sure.
- Der_Einzige 4y ago
  Ah, so you mean discriminating against Asians for their success? May I remind you that Asians in the USA did not participate in mass enslavement of black and brown bodies. Why should they have to give up spots for less qualified individuals? Have they not struggled enough? Most of their great grand parents were building our train tracks!

How does that change anything? Kids who barely miss out on MIT arent sleeping on the streets. They are at good state schools or other top privates.

by ryan93 4y ago

How does that change anything? Kids who barely miss out on MIT arent sleeping on the streets. They are at good state schools or other top privates.

sokoloff 4y ago

Indeed, and there are some studies to back that up. Excerpt from https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/does-it-matter-where-you-go-college/577816/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/does-it-ma... But what appears obvious may not be true. In November 2002, the Quarterly Journal of Economics published a landmark paper by the economists Stacy Dale and Alan Krueger that reached a startling conclusion. For most students, the salary boost from going to a super-selective school is “generally indistinguishable from zero” after adjusting for student characteristics, such as test scores. In other words, if Mike and Drew have the same SAT scores and apply to the same colleges, but Mike gets into Harvard and Drew doesn’t, they can still expect to earn the same income throughout their careers. Despite Harvard’s international fame and energetic alumni outreach, somebody like Mike would not experience an observable “Harvard effect.” Dale and Krueger even found that the average SAT scores of all the schools a student applies to is a more powerful predictor of success than the school that student actually attends.

ffwszgf 4y ago

At the end of the day the only real solution to the problem of inequity/representation will end up being hard quotas that roughly maintain a demographic balance at top institutions. At that point you can make most competition intra-racial with obvious carve outs for socioeconomic, sexual and gender minorities. the devil is in the details as to how such a controversial system could be implemented but it’d be a trial-and-error process for sure.

Der_Einzige 4y ago
Ah, so you mean discriminating against Asians for their success? May I remind you that Asians in the USA did not participate in mass enslavement of black and brown bodies. Why should they have to give up spots for less qualified individuals? Have they not struggled enough? Most of their great grand parents were building our train tracks!