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Why? Google still provides android, Google maps, Gmail for free. World changing at it's time still helping people around the globe. Their research blog is fan

Why? Google still provides android, Google maps, Gmail for free. World changing at it's time still helping people around the globe. Their research blog is fantastic and shows what they value. Google Io focus on people and security and trust. Google is much further away from evil than plenty of other companies. Did they kill stadia? Yes. Did actually anyone care? No. Because stadia didn't matter anyway.

sbarre 4y ago
If you think Google's biggest sin is killing Stadia, you stopped paying attention over a decade ago.
- Bloedcoin 4y ago
  I'm following well enough. Have you checked the last Google Io? They don't hide that they collect data. Android is still open. You can't expect Google to just give you a android distribution without their stuff for free just because. You still can use it.
  - alasdair_ 4y ago
    >They don't hide that they collect data. They have a mode in Chrome called "incognito mode" that, to the average person, strongly implies it doesn't collect data, yet of course it does.
    - tpxl 4y ago
      Citation needed. It says what it does right there when you open it, and collecting data _and sending it to google_ would be pretty damn weird in incognito mode. You're not invisible to websites, ISPs, ... and it says so right on the page.
vlunkr 4y ago
“Free” They’re probably largely to blame for setting the precedent that Internet services should be free. And of course backed by selling user data or unsustainable venture capital backed business models.
- johnchristopher 4y ago
  Personally, I blame this wired article https://www.wired.com/2008/02/ff-free/ https://www.wired.com/2008/02/ff-free/
dylan604 4y ago
>Google still provides android, Google maps, Gmail for free. World changing at it's time still helping people around the globe. That's just the fat, juicy worm dangling on the hook just waiting for you to take it all in--hook, line, and sinker.
- Bloedcoin 4y ago
  I use it without any issues and billions other do to. I can decide if I'm okay with it or not. You are clearly not. I'm.
version_five 4y ago
> Google still provides android, Google maps, Gmail for free. Not to belabor a frequently raised discussion topic, but "free" as in gratis is not the same as "zero dollars" And google charges its customers
lostgame 4y ago
>> ‘free’ Don’t make us all laugh. It’s ‘free’ because the user is the product, not the service.
- Bloedcoin 4y ago
  Why the f* would I need to clarify on hn that it's 'free' in sense of ad tracking? We all know what it means. Still doesn't change the fact what the value for billion of people is real.
hulitu 4y ago
> Google still provides android, Google maps, Gmail for free. I paid for the phone and they are still collecting my data. For me this is not free.
- gpm 4y ago
  > I paid for the phone and they are still collecting my data. You paid for the phone, not for the google services. You're free to use non-google services on android. Moreover open street map, and numerous other email clients, exist - it's even a practical choice. > For me this is not free. No comment on this portion
- Bloedcoin 4y ago
  You paid for a phone with Google. That was your decision. There are other options. And while you mind, billions are really happy to have a very secure and relativity cheap phone.
  - squeaky-clean 4y ago
    We've just gone from "they're not evil" to "okay so maybe they are evil but that was your choice, and they're cheap" in the span of a single comment.
    - Bloedcoin 4y ago
      Where? I don't think Google is evil because they get money through ads. I'm fine with that. There is also a huge difference on how Google collects, stores and analysis your data vs. companies like Facebook. I'm pretty sure Google actually knows we're your data is in comparison to Facebook
  - arrosenberg 4y ago
    How can you determine it is cheap when Google is anticompetitively subsidizing the cost with advertising and data collection? You could be getting hosed and never know it.

sbarre 4y ago

If you think Google's biggest sin is killing Stadia, you stopped paying attention over a decade ago.

Bloedcoin 4y ago
I'm following well enough. Have you checked the last Google Io? They don't hide that they collect data. Android is still open. You can't expect Google to just give you a android distribution without their stuff for free just because. You still can use it.
- alasdair_ 4y ago
  >They don't hide that they collect data. They have a mode in Chrome called "incognito mode" that, to the average person, strongly implies it doesn't collect data, yet of course it does.
  - tpxl 4y ago
    Citation needed. It says what it does right there when you open it, and collecting data _and sending it to google_ would be pretty damn weird in incognito mode. You're not invisible to websites, ISPs, ... and it says so right on the page.

vlunkr 4y ago

“Free” They’re probably largely to blame for setting the precedent that Internet services should be free. And of course backed by selling user data or unsustainable venture capital backed business models.

johnchristopher 4y ago
Personally, I blame this wired article https://www.wired.com/2008/02/ff-free/ https://www.wired.com/2008/02/ff-free/

dylan604 4y ago

>Google still provides android, Google maps, Gmail for free. World changing at it's time still helping people around the globe. That's just the fat, juicy worm dangling on the hook just waiting for you to take it all in--hook, line, and sinker.

Bloedcoin 4y ago
I use it without any issues and billions other do to. I can decide if I'm okay with it or not. You are clearly not. I'm.

version_five 4y ago

> Google still provides android, Google maps, Gmail for free. Not to belabor a frequently raised discussion topic, but "free" as in gratis is not the same as "zero dollars" And google charges its customers

lostgame 4y ago

>> ‘free’ Don’t make us all laugh. It’s ‘free’ because the user is the product, not the service.

Bloedcoin 4y ago
Why the f* would I need to clarify on hn that it's 'free' in sense of ad tracking? We all know what it means. Still doesn't change the fact what the value for billion of people is real.

hulitu 4y ago

> Google still provides android, Google maps, Gmail for free. I paid for the phone and they are still collecting my data. For me this is not free.

gpm 4y ago
> I paid for the phone and they are still collecting my data. You paid for the phone, not for the google services. You're free to use non-google services on android. Moreover open street map, and numerous other email clients, exist - it's even a practical choice. > For me this is not free. No comment on this portion
Bloedcoin 4y ago
You paid for a phone with Google. That was your decision. There are other options. And while you mind, billions are really happy to have a very secure and relativity cheap phone.
- squeaky-clean 4y ago
  We've just gone from "they're not evil" to "okay so maybe they are evil but that was your choice, and they're cheap" in the span of a single comment.
  - Bloedcoin 4y ago
    Where? I don't think Google is evil because they get money through ads. I'm fine with that. There is also a huge difference on how Google collects, stores and analysis your data vs. companies like Facebook. I'm pretty sure Google actually knows we're your data is in comparison to Facebook
- arrosenberg 4y ago
  How can you determine it is cheap when Google is anticompetitively subsidizing the cost with advertising and data collection? You could be getting hosed and never know it.