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I find it very surprising that the term "Asian" lives in this twilight zone where nobody is sure if it includes India, the second largest country in the region.

by athew 4y ago

I find it very surprising that the term "Asian" lives in this twilight zone where nobody is sure if it includes India, the second largest country in the region. For the SAT distribution tables, the term Asian includes Indians I assume, while the following table from the German professor does not break out India. smh.

socialismisok 4y ago
The categories come from the US government, I believe. The same reason why the data doesn't include non binary genders, for instance.
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lexapro 4y ago
India is clearly in Asia. So yes, by definition Indians are Asians.
- xeromal 4y ago
  So is europe. It's all the same continent. At least in the US, Indians aren't considered Asians.
  - rendang 4y ago
    They absolutely are for demographic purposes, even though the typical American will think of East Asians if you say something like "there's an Asian boy in my class"
mistrial9 4y ago
generally in the USA, w.r.t. demographics, people from India are classified as 'caucasian' source: professional demographics practice in the USA using Federal Census data
- ralphmelish 4y ago
  You are wrong. 'Caucasian' is used to classify white Europeans. The US Government defines 'Asians' as 'having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam.'[0] [0] https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/note/US/RHI625221#:~:text=Asian.,Islands%2C%20Thailand%2C%20and%20Vietnam https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/note/US/RHI625221#:~:....
  - mistrial9 4y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_classification_of_Indian_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_classification_of_India... lots of anecdata there -- the division in the US politically between former slave-owning states and those opposed to slavery, and their vacillating political power, definitely adds to the extreme cases listed here. Plenty of classification and census work counts the majority of people with Indian Sub-continent history as "caucasian" . Those with the reverse axe to grind, spying racists everywhere, will emphasize the unjust and archaic examples. In the demography work I saw with my own eyes, people from the Indian Sub-continent were counted as "caucasian" without question. not interested in partial arguments that can be misquoted by extremists on either side of this.
    - ralphmelish 4y ago
      The US Census Bureau have been categorising Indians as Asians for more than 20 years. I'm not interested in any racial discussion, just stating how they are classified as.

by athew 4y ago

socialismisok 4y ago

The categories come from the US government, I believe. The same reason why the data doesn't include non binary genders, for instance.

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lexapro 4y ago

India is clearly in Asia. So yes, by definition Indians are Asians.

xeromal 4y ago
So is europe. It's all the same continent. At least in the US, Indians aren't considered Asians.
- rendang 4y ago
  They absolutely are for demographic purposes, even though the typical American will think of East Asians if you say something like "there's an Asian boy in my class"

mistrial9 4y ago

generally in the USA, w.r.t. demographics, people from India are classified as 'caucasian' source: professional demographics practice in the USA using Federal Census data

ralphmelish 4y ago
You are wrong. 'Caucasian' is used to classify white Europeans. The US Government defines 'Asians' as 'having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam.'[0] [0] https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/note/US/RHI625221#:~:text=Asian.,Islands%2C%20Thailand%2C%20and%20Vietnam https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/note/US/RHI625221#:~:....
- mistrial9 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_classification_of_Indian_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_classification_of_India... lots of anecdata there -- the division in the US politically between former slave-owning states and those opposed to slavery, and their vacillating political power, definitely adds to the extreme cases listed here. Plenty of classification and census work counts the majority of people with Indian Sub-continent history as "caucasian" . Those with the reverse axe to grind, spying racists everywhere, will emphasize the unjust and archaic examples. In the demography work I saw with my own eyes, people from the Indian Sub-continent were counted as "caucasian" without question. not interested in partial arguments that can be misquoted by extremists on either side of this.
  - ralphmelish 4y ago
    The US Census Bureau have been categorising Indians as Asians for more than 20 years. I'm not interested in any racial discussion, just stating how they are classified as.