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Well now, Robert Malone was recently deplatformed for his views on the Covid Response[1], despite being an expert in the sort of tech used to build these vaccin

Well now, Robert Malone was recently deplatformed for his views on the Covid Response[1], despite being an expert in the sort of tech used to build these vaccines with citations going back to at least 1990. I'd hardly call his opinion 'irrelavant'. [1]https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0ZCLBEbktYqp1lSheZS81E https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0ZCLBEbktYqp1lSheZS81E

myvoiceismypass 4y ago
Oh the guy that claims he invented mRNA but pushes hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin?
- cm42 4y ago
  Help! Police! FBI! Ministry of Truth! Somebody! A non-physician is over here commenting on medications they've never prescribed!
- suoduandao2 4y ago
  Is that what corporate journalists say about him? You'd do well to go to primary sources when there's misinformation about. His publication history is a matter of public record. He's actually pro-vaccine as a personal choice, his objection to the public policy at the time centered on the need for informed consent to medical procedures. What well-meaning people find so dangerous about that I'd love to know.
  - wbsss4412 4y ago
    > In November 2021, Malone shared a deceptive video on Twitter that falsely linked athlete deaths to COVID-19 vaccines. In particular, the video suggested that Jake West, a 17-year-old Indiana high school football player who succumbed to sudden cardiac arrest, had actually died from COVID-19 vaccination. However, West had died years earlier, in 2013, due to an undiagnosed heart condition. Malone deleted the video from his Twitter account after receiving a cease-and-desist letter from West's family. Malone later said on Twitter that he did not know the video was doctored. > In an April 1, 2022 interview, Malone made the unfounded claim that COVID-19 vaccines are "damaging T cell responses" and "causing a form of AIDS". Malone claimed that he had "lots of scientific data" to back up his claim, but did not cite evidence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone?wprov=sfti1
    - suoduandao2 4y ago
      I find that about as plausible as the other side's claims about Dr. Fauci's role in the AIDS crisis. In the (lengthy) interview I linked I never once heard him make those sorts of claims, he just hammered the point about informed consent. Which I'd really like those who agree with his deplatforming to stop dodging.
      - wbsss4412 4y ago
        You don’t believe what, exactly? The quotes? The source from the article is the AP, are you claiming the AP fabricated these quotes? > In a video circulating widely on social media, Dr. Robert Malone, a frequent critic of COVID-19 vaccines who once researched mRNA vaccine technology, made the claim that the vaccines are “damaging T cell responses” and “causing a form of AIDS.” “People think, when they hear AIDS, they hear HIV. No, the vaccines aren’t causing you to be infected with the HIV virus,” said Malone, during a taped interview with a website that focuses on COVID-19. “They are causing a form of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome, that’s what AIDS stands for.” In the interview, published April 1, Malone claimed that “lots of scientific data” support his claim, but cited no evidence. The claims are unfounded. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-covid-technology-science-entertainment-3ecce7bfdcc4ae637e0eb7e74254bd1d https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-covid-technology-s...
        suoduandao2 4y ago
        I think, based on statements I actually heard him make and my Bayesian priors towards corporate journalists, that articles like this one grossly misrepresent the substance of whatever he was actually saying.
        wbsss4412 4y ago
        Well I can see why you’d put so much faith in a man of such unimpeachable integrity.
        4y ago
  - MisterBastahrd 4y ago
    Why is it that when journalists say shit you agree with, they're just reporting the news, and when they don't, they're corporate journalists? Bob Malone was not an inventor of the mRNA vaccine. He was a co-author of a paper detailing how injecting RNA into muscle fibers could produce protein. For those playing at home, this is the equivalent of signing your name on someone else's paper on how to crack an egg and then declaring that you invented hollandaise sauce.
    - suoduandao2 4y ago
      Because when I listened to him speak with enough time to give as much context as he wanted, it was clear that's not a claim he makes. He may have said something to the effect that he did a lot of early research in the field, possibly something that, if interpreted uncharitably, could imply he was taking more credit than was due him. But falsely attributing an untrue statement to someone and then calling him a liar for the thing he didn't say is precisely the kind of skillful misinformation I've come to expect from corporate journalists since the Iraq war. How someone can say 'trust the experts' in the morning and trust the New York Times over a widely-cited scientist in the evening is beyond me. And please, tell me where in this account's relatively short history I've ever agreed with a corporate journalist on anything. While you're at it, tell me whether you're for or against informed consent for medical procedures.
- egberts1 4y ago
  NIH has recommended Ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19. It may not be approved but it’s recommended. 2022 Clinical trial results of Ivermectin (truly unbiased funding): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8248252/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8248252/ Withdrewed 2020 clinical trial white paper touting that Ivermectin does not help (funded by Moderna) https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-100956/v4?redirect=/article/rs-100956 https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-100956/v4?redirect... And the recommended treatment still listed Ivermectin on official US government website: https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/summary-recommendations/ https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/ant... Maybe tune out some mainstream media and social media too?

myvoiceismypass 4y ago

Oh the guy that claims he invented mRNA but pushes hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin?

cm42 4y ago
Help! Police! FBI! Ministry of Truth! Somebody! A non-physician is over here commenting on medications they've never prescribed!
suoduandao2 4y ago
Is that what corporate journalists say about him? You'd do well to go to primary sources when there's misinformation about. His publication history is a matter of public record. He's actually pro-vaccine as a personal choice, his objection to the public policy at the time centered on the need for informed consent to medical procedures. What well-meaning people find so dangerous about that I'd love to know.
- wbsss4412 4y ago
  > In November 2021, Malone shared a deceptive video on Twitter that falsely linked athlete deaths to COVID-19 vaccines. In particular, the video suggested that Jake West, a 17-year-old Indiana high school football player who succumbed to sudden cardiac arrest, had actually died from COVID-19 vaccination. However, West had died years earlier, in 2013, due to an undiagnosed heart condition. Malone deleted the video from his Twitter account after receiving a cease-and-desist letter from West's family. Malone later said on Twitter that he did not know the video was doctored. > In an April 1, 2022 interview, Malone made the unfounded claim that COVID-19 vaccines are "damaging T cell responses" and "causing a form of AIDS". Malone claimed that he had "lots of scientific data" to back up his claim, but did not cite evidence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone?wprov=sfti1
  - suoduandao2 4y ago
    I find that about as plausible as the other side's claims about Dr. Fauci's role in the AIDS crisis. In the (lengthy) interview I linked I never once heard him make those sorts of claims, he just hammered the point about informed consent. Which I'd really like those who agree with his deplatforming to stop dodging.
    - wbsss4412 4y ago
      You don’t believe what, exactly? The quotes? The source from the article is the AP, are you claiming the AP fabricated these quotes? > In a video circulating widely on social media, Dr. Robert Malone, a frequent critic of COVID-19 vaccines who once researched mRNA vaccine technology, made the claim that the vaccines are “damaging T cell responses” and “causing a form of AIDS.” “People think, when they hear AIDS, they hear HIV. No, the vaccines aren’t causing you to be infected with the HIV virus,” said Malone, during a taped interview with a website that focuses on COVID-19. “They are causing a form of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome, that’s what AIDS stands for.” In the interview, published April 1, Malone claimed that “lots of scientific data” support his claim, but cited no evidence. The claims are unfounded. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-covid-technology-science-entertainment-3ecce7bfdcc4ae637e0eb7e74254bd1d https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-covid-technology-s...
      - suoduandao2 4y ago
        I think, based on statements I actually heard him make and my Bayesian priors towards corporate journalists, that articles like this one grossly misrepresent the substance of whatever he was actually saying.
        wbsss4412 4y ago
        Well I can see why you’d put so much faith in a man of such unimpeachable integrity.
        4y ago
- MisterBastahrd 4y ago
  Why is it that when journalists say shit you agree with, they're just reporting the news, and when they don't, they're corporate journalists? Bob Malone was not an inventor of the mRNA vaccine. He was a co-author of a paper detailing how injecting RNA into muscle fibers could produce protein. For those playing at home, this is the equivalent of signing your name on someone else's paper on how to crack an egg and then declaring that you invented hollandaise sauce.
  - suoduandao2 4y ago
    Because when I listened to him speak with enough time to give as much context as he wanted, it was clear that's not a claim he makes. He may have said something to the effect that he did a lot of early research in the field, possibly something that, if interpreted uncharitably, could imply he was taking more credit than was due him. But falsely attributing an untrue statement to someone and then calling him a liar for the thing he didn't say is precisely the kind of skillful misinformation I've come to expect from corporate journalists since the Iraq war. How someone can say 'trust the experts' in the morning and trust the New York Times over a widely-cited scientist in the evening is beyond me. And please, tell me where in this account's relatively short history I've ever agreed with a corporate journalist on anything. While you're at it, tell me whether you're for or against informed consent for medical procedures.
egberts1 4y ago
NIH has recommended Ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19. It may not be approved but it’s recommended. 2022 Clinical trial results of Ivermectin (truly unbiased funding): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8248252/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8248252/ Withdrewed 2020 clinical trial white paper touting that Ivermectin does not help (funded by Moderna) https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-100956/v4?redirect=/article/rs-100956 https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-100956/v4?redirect... And the recommended treatment still listed Ivermectin on official US government website: https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/summary-recommendations/ https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/ant... Maybe tune out some mainstream media and social media too?