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Russians are absolutely doing genocide. They are removing the Ukrainian language, history and culture, they are burning Ukrainian schoolbooks, they are stealing

Russians are absolutely doing genocide. They are removing the Ukrainian language, history and culture, they are burning Ukrainian schoolbooks, they are stealing children and re-teaching them to be Russians, they are targeting Ukrainians based on their nationality and killing them. Who doesn't sing the Russian anthem gets tortured.

DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
Even if your claims about Russia trying to destroy the Ukrainian language and Ukrainian culture were true, that would not be genocide. And just to give you some perspective, the claims you're making almost exactly mirror Putin's equally spurious (and disingenuous) claims that the Ukrainian government was trying to commit genocide against Russian speakers in Ukraine. His claim was based on attempts by the Ukrainian government to remove traces of Russian culture from eastern Ukraine (for example, by promoting the Ukrainian language over the Russian language in schools, by renaming cities, and by removing statues to cultural and historical figures associated with Russia), and on the Ukrainian government's shelling of Donetsk over the last 8 years. Putin is engaged in the exact same abuse of the term "genocide" that you're engaging in.
- Huh1337 4y ago
  So how come there's so many videos of these untrue things? How come the Russians themselves are saying they're doing it on their own state TV and celebrate it? I don't care about Putin's claims. There's a lot of Russian-speaking Ukrainian refugees where I live (there's hundreds thousands of them), I still haven't found one who felt like they were in any way targeted by the Ukrainian government or that their culture was being replaced. Now they hate Russia and every single one I asked has vowed to learn Ukrainian and erase any parts of Russian culture from their lives.
  - DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
    > Now they hate Russia and every single one I asked has vowed to learn Ukrainian and erase any parts of Russian culture from their lives. I know a few Ukrainian refugees. They speak Russian as their native language, and I've often seen them hanging out and chatting with Russians. I've talked to one of them quite a bit about his political beliefs. He obviously doesn't support the Russian invasion of his country, but he's also very unhappy with the Ukrainian government (particularly since what happened in 2014), and he doesn't like Ukrainian nationalists (partly because of the way they try to restrict minority languages in the country, including Russian and Hungarian).

DiogenesKynikos 4y ago

Even if your claims about Russia trying to destroy the Ukrainian language and Ukrainian culture were true, that would not be genocide. And just to give you some perspective, the claims you're making almost exactly mirror Putin's equally spurious (and disingenuous) claims that the Ukrainian government was trying to commit genocide against Russian speakers in Ukraine. His claim was based on attempts by the Ukrainian government to remove traces of Russian culture from eastern Ukraine (for example, by promoting the Ukrainian language over the Russian language in schools, by renaming cities, and by removing statues to cultural and historical figures associated with Russia), and on the Ukrainian government's shelling of Donetsk over the last 8 years. Putin is engaged in the exact same abuse of the term "genocide" that you're engaging in.

Huh1337 4y ago
So how come there's so many videos of these untrue things? How come the Russians themselves are saying they're doing it on their own state TV and celebrate it? I don't care about Putin's claims. There's a lot of Russian-speaking Ukrainian refugees where I live (there's hundreds thousands of them), I still haven't found one who felt like they were in any way targeted by the Ukrainian government or that their culture was being replaced. Now they hate Russia and every single one I asked has vowed to learn Ukrainian and erase any parts of Russian culture from their lives.
- DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
  > Now they hate Russia and every single one I asked has vowed to learn Ukrainian and erase any parts of Russian culture from their lives. I know a few Ukrainian refugees. They speak Russian as their native language, and I've often seen them hanging out and chatting with Russians. I've talked to one of them quite a bit about his political beliefs. He obviously doesn't support the Russian invasion of his country, but he's also very unhappy with the Ukrainian government (particularly since what happened in 2014), and he doesn't like Ukrainian nationalists (partly because of the way they try to restrict minority languages in the country, including Russian and Hungarian).