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This information will be lost on most Republicans, given their general distrust of science.

by elevaet 4y ago

refurb 4y ago
Exactly. And this fits my world view and comes to a conclusion I agree with so it's clearly "science".
gadders 4y ago
But it was Trump that got the vaccine completed in record time?
- gsinclair 4y ago
  Him personally, yep.
  - gadders 4y ago
    Someone has to drive the bus.
    - blitzar 4y ago
      It was actually a truck. https://time.com/4711764/donald-trump-pretend-truck-photo-white-house/ https://time.com/4711764/donald-trump-pretend-truck-photo-wh... Dont let yourself be fooled by the lamestream media, he wasnt pretending, he really drove that truck, actually a bigger one that that. The biggest truck anyone had ever driven.
      - gadders 4y ago
        I'm not entirely sure what your point is, other than "President does photo op."
        jfengel 4y ago
        He is mocking the former President's penchant not just for photo ops, but for clumsy hyperboles.
        gadders 4y ago
        So nothing of relevance to my main point.
        jfengel 4y ago
        Not directly, no. I suppose I'd interpret it as obliquely suggesting that he was not in fact "driving the bus", but of course that's a debatable proposition for any President and any policy.
        gadders 4y ago
        I mean I doubt very much he was making day to day decisions, but I'd imagine he was saying words to the effect of: "Hey, FDA, Pfizer, etc - I want this vaccine in x months make it work and shout if anyone gives you trouble." I'd imagine coming from any president that would carry some weight.
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- pohuing 4y ago
  And yet there's insane distrust amongst many republicans towards it. Its weird, trump himself is getting booed at his own ralleys when he speaks in favour of vaccination. It feels like a runaway train
- krapp 4y ago
  Trump only got on the pro-vaccination bandwagon because his efforts to downplay and deny the scope of the pandemic initially, so as to not distract from his pro-economy election narrative, became politically untenable. It was Trump who called it Kung Flu and refused to wear a mask in public and mocked anyone who did, and encouraged people to resist and protest lockdown rules and health guidelines, and it was Trump who turned resource distribution into a partisan grift. If you want to give Trump credit for the vaccine, you need to give him credit for sabotaging and deliberately undermining the effort as well. Trump is the reason the next pandemic is going to be far worse than it needs to be, because thanks to him, anti-vaxx conspiracy belief has been normalized and half the US has made mistrust of science and refusal to vaccinate a fundamental part of their political and cultural identity. But yes, he got the vaccine completed in record time. Kudos to him for that.
mansion7 4y ago
Perhaps they're aware how many scientific studies are unreplicable. Or maybe that medical error is a leading cause of death. Maybe they know about thalidomide babies. Or perhaps they simply didn't want to take drugs pushed by people who actively hate them and demean them at every opportunity. Or possibly they're aware of the tendency of governments the world over to use emergencies to seize power, as has undeniably been done here. Or maybe they believe in their own version of "my body, my choice". Possibly also they don't want to take scientific advice on people who suddenly insist that boys can be girls, and that anyone who disagrees should be banished from society. It's foolish to think one party "owns" science, and natural that people would bristle when dictated to by perhaps the smarmiest smuggies that have ever existed on the planet.
- mcphage 4y ago
  > Or perhaps they simply didn't want to take drugs pushed by people who actively hate them and demean them at every opportunity. Or perhaps they didn’t want to take drugs pushed by people they actively hate and demean at every opportunity. > perhaps the smarmiest smuggies that have ever existed on the planet Whelp, that didn't take long.
  - mansion7 4y ago
    It's impossible to stop noticing the same perpetrators doing the same things over and over. Also, as you're no doubt aware, calling someone "smug" and calling someone a Russian-backed Nazi science-denier (and then trying to get them fired and/or prosecuted) are very, very different.
    - moistly 4y ago
      It’s not paranoia when the world really is out to get you!
    - mcphage 4y ago
      Dude, you couldn’t even get through complaining about people calling you names without resorting to the same thing that you’re accusing others of doing. I implore you: look into the mirror and seriously consider the idea that you might be part of the problem.
Dalewyn 4y ago
You don't "trust" science, it is even the entire point of science to be distrustful: To be ever skeptical of and verify any claims, and always be on the lookout for better theories and findings. If you "trust" science, you're just being religious. The people who don't just immediately take the words of the CDC or WHO at face value are more scientific than the people who do.
- jfengel 4y ago
  Paranoia is not science. Skepticism is not the same as paranoia. Science is full of trust. Science is rarely replicated from first principles. There just isn't time. The further away one gets from one's own field, the more one relies on the experts in that field. People who mistrust the CDC and WHO, but accept anything about physics, chemistry, or anything else that isn't their specific area of research, aren't being "skeptical". They're just being ideologically biased, affirming their preconceptions without applying that same skepticism to the theories that support their ideologies. The overwhelming number of virologists, epidemiologists, doctors, and public health experts listen to what the CDC and WHO says because they do know what they're talking about. And they listen as the information changes, because they change their minds when the data available changes. What do you do?
  - Dalewyn 4y ago
    >What do you do? I take their words with a grain of salt just like with anyone else. Blind trust in science is no different from religious worship.
    - Certhas 4y ago
      Who said the trust is blind? It is utterly impossible to "think for yourself" when it comes to modern science. To fully understand the thinking and evidence that goes into some of these statements might take decades. You should trust it because all parts of the chain of arguments are being critically looked at by experts all the time. If you distrust scientists just like you distrust priests, it is your blind distrust that's deeply irrational (under the guise of rationality no less).
ekianjo 4y ago
- aerojoe23 4y ago
  I'm sure this was intended sarcastically. On the surface it would seem that wearing a mask alone in a car isn't going to help you at all, and while you're alone in your car it doesn't but there are scientific reasons it could have been logical to do so. Once you've used your mask you're supposed to throw it away, because there is potentially virus on the outside of it. You are even supposed avoid touching the outside of the mask when you take it off. The other reason that comes to mind is, it could just help the remember to have it on when they go from place to place.
  - dariusj18 4y ago
    I have found myself still wearing my mask in my car just because I forgot to take it off.
  - ekianjo 4y ago
    You are just beind pedantic. I could have used jogging alone with mask on, in a park when no one is around which is known to be zero risk. Yet it was widely seen.
    - moistly 4y ago
      “Widely seen” my hairy arsehole.

This information will be lost on most Republicans, given their general distrust of science.

refurb 4y ago

Exactly. And this fits my world view and comes to a conclusion I agree with so it's clearly "science".

gadders 4y ago

But it was Trump that got the vaccine completed in record time?

gsinclair 4y ago
Him personally, yep.
- gadders 4y ago
  Someone has to drive the bus.
  - blitzar 4y ago
    It was actually a truck. https://time.com/4711764/donald-trump-pretend-truck-photo-white-house/ https://time.com/4711764/donald-trump-pretend-truck-photo-wh... Dont let yourself be fooled by the lamestream media, he wasnt pretending, he really drove that truck, actually a bigger one that that. The biggest truck anyone had ever driven.
    - gadders 4y ago
      I'm not entirely sure what your point is, other than "President does photo op."
      - jfengel 4y ago
        He is mocking the former President's penchant not just for photo ops, but for clumsy hyperboles.
        gadders 4y ago
        So nothing of relevance to my main point.
        jfengel 4y ago
        Not directly, no. I suppose I'd interpret it as obliquely suggesting that he was not in fact "driving the bus", but of course that's a debatable proposition for any President and any policy.
        gadders 4y ago
        I mean I doubt very much he was making day to day decisions, but I'd imagine he was saying words to the effect of: "Hey, FDA, Pfizer, etc - I want this vaccine in x months make it work and shout if anyone gives you trouble." I'd imagine coming from any president that would carry some weight.
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pohuing 4y ago
And yet there's insane distrust amongst many republicans towards it. Its weird, trump himself is getting booed at his own ralleys when he speaks in favour of vaccination. It feels like a runaway train
krapp 4y ago
Trump only got on the pro-vaccination bandwagon because his efforts to downplay and deny the scope of the pandemic initially, so as to not distract from his pro-economy election narrative, became politically untenable. It was Trump who called it Kung Flu and refused to wear a mask in public and mocked anyone who did, and encouraged people to resist and protest lockdown rules and health guidelines, and it was Trump who turned resource distribution into a partisan grift. If you want to give Trump credit for the vaccine, you need to give him credit for sabotaging and deliberately undermining the effort as well. Trump is the reason the next pandemic is going to be far worse than it needs to be, because thanks to him, anti-vaxx conspiracy belief has been normalized and half the US has made mistrust of science and refusal to vaccinate a fundamental part of their political and cultural identity. But yes, he got the vaccine completed in record time. Kudos to him for that.

mansion7 4y ago

Perhaps they're aware how many scientific studies are unreplicable. Or maybe that medical error is a leading cause of death. Maybe they know about thalidomide babies. Or perhaps they simply didn't want to take drugs pushed by people who actively hate them and demean them at every opportunity. Or possibly they're aware of the tendency of governments the world over to use emergencies to seize power, as has undeniably been done here. Or maybe they believe in their own version of "my body, my choice". Possibly also they don't want to take scientific advice on people who suddenly insist that boys can be girls, and that anyone who disagrees should be banished from society. It's foolish to think one party "owns" science, and natural that people would bristle when dictated to by perhaps the smarmiest smuggies that have ever existed on the planet.

mcphage 4y ago
> Or perhaps they simply didn't want to take drugs pushed by people who actively hate them and demean them at every opportunity. Or perhaps they didn’t want to take drugs pushed by people they actively hate and demean at every opportunity. > perhaps the smarmiest smuggies that have ever existed on the planet Whelp, that didn't take long.
- mansion7 4y ago
  It's impossible to stop noticing the same perpetrators doing the same things over and over. Also, as you're no doubt aware, calling someone "smug" and calling someone a Russian-backed Nazi science-denier (and then trying to get them fired and/or prosecuted) are very, very different.
  - moistly 4y ago
    It’s not paranoia when the world really is out to get you!
  - mcphage 4y ago
    Dude, you couldn’t even get through complaining about people calling you names without resorting to the same thing that you’re accusing others of doing. I implore you: look into the mirror and seriously consider the idea that you might be part of the problem.

Dalewyn 4y ago

You don't "trust" science, it is even the entire point of science to be distrustful: To be ever skeptical of and verify any claims, and always be on the lookout for better theories and findings. If you "trust" science, you're just being religious. The people who don't just immediately take the words of the CDC or WHO at face value are more scientific than the people who do.

jfengel 4y ago
Paranoia is not science. Skepticism is not the same as paranoia. Science is full of trust. Science is rarely replicated from first principles. There just isn't time. The further away one gets from one's own field, the more one relies on the experts in that field. People who mistrust the CDC and WHO, but accept anything about physics, chemistry, or anything else that isn't their specific area of research, aren't being "skeptical". They're just being ideologically biased, affirming their preconceptions without applying that same skepticism to the theories that support their ideologies. The overwhelming number of virologists, epidemiologists, doctors, and public health experts listen to what the CDC and WHO says because they do know what they're talking about. And they listen as the information changes, because they change their minds when the data available changes. What do you do?
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  >What do you do? I take their words with a grain of salt just like with anyone else. Blind trust in science is no different from religious worship.
  - Certhas 4y ago
    Who said the trust is blind? It is utterly impossible to "think for yourself" when it comes to modern science. To fully understand the thinking and evidence that goes into some of these statements might take decades. You should trust it because all parts of the chain of arguments are being critically looked at by experts all the time. If you distrust scientists just like you distrust priests, it is your blind distrust that's deeply irrational (under the guise of rationality no less).

ekianjo 4y ago

aerojoe23 4y ago
I'm sure this was intended sarcastically. On the surface it would seem that wearing a mask alone in a car isn't going to help you at all, and while you're alone in your car it doesn't but there are scientific reasons it could have been logical to do so. Once you've used your mask you're supposed to throw it away, because there is potentially virus on the outside of it. You are even supposed avoid touching the outside of the mask when you take it off. The other reason that comes to mind is, it could just help the remember to have it on when they go from place to place.
- dariusj18 4y ago
  I have found myself still wearing my mask in my car just because I forgot to take it off.
- ekianjo 4y ago
  You are just beind pedantic. I could have used jogging alone with mask on, in a park when no one is around which is known to be zero risk. Yet it was widely seen.
  - moistly 4y ago
    “Widely seen” my hairy arsehole.