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Sounds like you're suggesting to him that he gets himself put on the "managed out" list. I get your point completely, and agree with it to an extent. But if I p

Sounds like you're suggesting to him that he gets himself put on the "managed out" list. I get your point completely, and agree with it to an extent. But if I put myself in that position, what would I do? I'd like to think I'd take the honorable approach you suggested, but I've also got bills to pay, kids to support, plans I want to achieve. Getting myself "managed out" at the expense of all of those things would be hugely problematic.

ohgodplsno 4y ago
If you're a manager at Amazon (which is already known for being barely a level above sweat shops in terms of employee treatment), and even more if you're part of their tech (which, if you're posting on HN, you most likely are), you're making so much money that if you can't afford to spend 6 months without a job, you're frankly irresponsible with your cash.
bayraktar 4y ago
Getting myself "managed out" at the expense of all of those things would be hugely problematic. Agreed - and corporate life often gets that way. But another way of looking at the payoff matrix might be: "I've got kids to support - and that means having parents they can trust, and look up to in this chaotic and morally ambivalent world. Even if it means we might have to work a year or two more before being able to retire more comfortably, or we might not get to take that vacation to Tulum this year."
- bryanrasmussen 4y ago
  >I've got kids to support - and that means having parents they can trust, and look up to in this chaotic and morally ambivalent world. that's a high level of Maslow's hierarchy there, especially in the U.S with few support nets heading into what will probably be a really bad recession.
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    If you work in this industry and don't have at least a year's pay squirreled away, where the hell is all your money going?
    - bryanrasmussen 4y ago
      really?`you are unable to think of any situation where people would be unable to save a year's worth of pay?
itronitron 4y ago
Consider that many other employees also have bills to pay, kids to support, plans they want to achieve...

ohgodplsno 4y ago

If you're a manager at Amazon (which is already known for being barely a level above sweat shops in terms of employee treatment), and even more if you're part of their tech (which, if you're posting on HN, you most likely are), you're making so much money that if you can't afford to spend 6 months without a job, you're frankly irresponsible with your cash.

bayraktar 4y ago

Getting myself "managed out" at the expense of all of those things would be hugely problematic. Agreed - and corporate life often gets that way. But another way of looking at the payoff matrix might be: "I've got kids to support - and that means having parents they can trust, and look up to in this chaotic and morally ambivalent world. Even if it means we might have to work a year or two more before being able to retire more comfortably, or we might not get to take that vacation to Tulum this year."

bryanrasmussen 4y ago
>I've got kids to support - and that means having parents they can trust, and look up to in this chaotic and morally ambivalent world. that's a high level of Maslow's hierarchy there, especially in the U.S with few support nets heading into what will probably be a really bad recession.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  If you work in this industry and don't have at least a year's pay squirreled away, where the hell is all your money going?
  - bryanrasmussen 4y ago
    really?`you are unable to think of any situation where people would be unable to save a year's worth of pay?

itronitron 4y ago

Consider that many other employees also have bills to pay, kids to support, plans they want to achieve...