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It's sad to see how the medical system fails Republicans. What can we do to address this discriminatory disparity and increase equity in medicine? Or is this o

It's sad to see how the medical system fails Republicans. What can we do to address this discriminatory disparity and increase equity in medicine? Or is this one of those times when it's okay to blame behavior?

threatofrain 4y ago
How about first achieve national consensus that national healthcare should even be a priority? Anyways, in this case, many in the GOP are convinced that the vaccine is worse than the disease. The problem is information and not vaccine availability.
- idontwantthis 4y ago
  This can also be blamed on the rightwing corpses.
- yieldcrv 4y ago
  as long as it isn’t a hand out to insurance companies sadly any compromise bill just results in the wrong bill no public option, which was scrapped from Obamacare (to get it passed into law at all), means no super negotiator with insurers no medicare ability to negotiate, means no super negotiator with insurers these nuances don't have national consensus, amongst people that are open to national healthcare
unlikelymordant 4y ago
> What can we do to address this discriminatory disparity and increase equity in medicine? The paper goes into it, just vaccinate everybody.
- irjustin 4y ago
  We did? I mean it was offered to everyone... Unless you're talking about mandatory vaccination?
  - unlikelymordant 4y ago
    I was being as flippant as i interpreted OP to be. I dont think there is a significant disparity in medical care between R and D. Vaccines were available to all, after that its personal responsibility, you cant cry that your group is dying from something that you refuse to get a vaccine for.
tanbog6 4y ago
There are clearly a number of structural and cultural factors at play which are hard to address easily. But also yes, some of this poetic justice.
tambarskjelve 4y ago
Live free or die (from covid-19).
watwut 4y ago
What about having more patrolling republican dominated areas checking whether people properly wear masks and making vaccines mandatory with punishment for those who refuse them?
- ravel-bar-foo 4y ago
  Would the voters in Republican-dominated areas stand for that?
  - Dalewyn 4y ago
    In a word: Nope.
  - watwut 4y ago
    Obviously not. As far as they are concerned, covid is made up problem liberals lie about.
n4r9 4y ago
I feel like you're trying to draw a glib comparison to affirmative action. Shame on you if so - we're talking about people dying needlessly. It's not okay to blame behaviour in either case. This is a systemic issue brought about by the politicisation of science and a lack of robust, independent media.
- gadders 4y ago
  I think they could be trying to draw a parallel between many lifestyle choices that result in adverse health outcomes - obesity, high risk sexual behaviour, extreme sports etc.
  - tarakat 4y ago
    The parallel is to all outcomes, not just health.
EagnaIonat 4y ago
> It's sad to see how the medical system fails Republicans. It has nothing to do with politics. Excess deaths was because the medical infrastructure was overwhelmed. So ICU services were not available as normal. From report: > Overall, our results suggest that political party affiliation only became a substantial risk factor in Ohio and Florida after vaccines were widely available. > ... > Lack of individual-level vaccination status limits our ability to draw broad conclusions, but the results suggest that the well-documented differences in vaccination attitudes and reported uptake between Republicans and Democrats [10, 7, 8, 13] have already had serious consequences for the severity and trajectory of the pandemic in the United States.
- irjustin 4y ago
  > It has nothing to do with politics. > Excess deaths was because the medical infrastructure was overwhelmed. So ICU services were not available as normal. I'm a bit confused how you come to this conclusion when the section you quote from the report says the lack of vaccination uptake is to blame along party lines. overwhelmed medical infrastructure would hit both political parties equally. Unless you're suggesting that democrats in Florida have access to democrat-only-hospitals...
Klinky 4y ago
In this case the vaccine & the ICU stays were paid for by taxpayers. If anything they got special treatment that was way above & beyond what others complain about when it comes to the lack of equal access to medical resources.
blitzar 4y ago
You need a good guy with a vaccine to take down a bad guy with a disease.
chuckSu 4y ago
blitzar 4y ago
God has blessed his chosen ones.

threatofrain 4y ago

How about first achieve national consensus that national healthcare should even be a priority? Anyways, in this case, many in the GOP are convinced that the vaccine is worse than the disease. The problem is information and not vaccine availability.

idontwantthis 4y ago
This can also be blamed on the rightwing corpses.
yieldcrv 4y ago
as long as it isn’t a hand out to insurance companies sadly any compromise bill just results in the wrong bill no public option, which was scrapped from Obamacare (to get it passed into law at all), means no super negotiator with insurers no medicare ability to negotiate, means no super negotiator with insurers these nuances don't have national consensus, amongst people that are open to national healthcare

unlikelymordant 4y ago

> What can we do to address this discriminatory disparity and increase equity in medicine? The paper goes into it, just vaccinate everybody.

irjustin 4y ago
We did? I mean it was offered to everyone... Unless you're talking about mandatory vaccination?
- unlikelymordant 4y ago
  I was being as flippant as i interpreted OP to be. I dont think there is a significant disparity in medical care between R and D. Vaccines were available to all, after that its personal responsibility, you cant cry that your group is dying from something that you refuse to get a vaccine for.

tanbog6 4y ago

There are clearly a number of structural and cultural factors at play which are hard to address easily. But also yes, some of this poetic justice.

tambarskjelve 4y ago

Live free or die (from covid-19).

watwut 4y ago

What about having more patrolling republican dominated areas checking whether people properly wear masks and making vaccines mandatory with punishment for those who refuse them?

ravel-bar-foo 4y ago
Would the voters in Republican-dominated areas stand for that?
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  In a word: Nope.
- watwut 4y ago
  Obviously not. As far as they are concerned, covid is made up problem liberals lie about.

n4r9 4y ago

I feel like you're trying to draw a glib comparison to affirmative action. Shame on you if so - we're talking about people dying needlessly. It's not okay to blame behaviour in either case. This is a systemic issue brought about by the politicisation of science and a lack of robust, independent media.

gadders 4y ago
I think they could be trying to draw a parallel between many lifestyle choices that result in adverse health outcomes - obesity, high risk sexual behaviour, extreme sports etc.
- tarakat 4y ago
  The parallel is to all outcomes, not just health.

EagnaIonat 4y ago

> It's sad to see how the medical system fails Republicans. It has nothing to do with politics. Excess deaths was because the medical infrastructure was overwhelmed. So ICU services were not available as normal. From report: > Overall, our results suggest that political party affiliation only became a substantial risk factor in Ohio and Florida after vaccines were widely available. > ... > Lack of individual-level vaccination status limits our ability to draw broad conclusions, but the results suggest that the well-documented differences in vaccination attitudes and reported uptake between Republicans and Democrats [10, 7, 8, 13] have already had serious consequences for the severity and trajectory of the pandemic in the United States.

irjustin 4y ago
> It has nothing to do with politics. > Excess deaths was because the medical infrastructure was overwhelmed. So ICU services were not available as normal. I'm a bit confused how you come to this conclusion when the section you quote from the report says the lack of vaccination uptake is to blame along party lines. overwhelmed medical infrastructure would hit both political parties equally. Unless you're suggesting that democrats in Florida have access to democrat-only-hospitals...

Klinky 4y ago

In this case the vaccine & the ICU stays were paid for by taxpayers. If anything they got special treatment that was way above & beyond what others complain about when it comes to the lack of equal access to medical resources.

blitzar 4y ago

You need a good guy with a vaccine to take down a bad guy with a disease.

chuckSu 4y ago

blitzar 4y ago

God has blessed his chosen ones.