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And just think all it took was a couple of genocides, breaking society and becoming one of the most despised people in the world.

by mhoad 4y ago

Jorengarenar 4y ago
Genocides?
- bagels 4y ago
  www.washingtonpost.com Facebook sued by Rohingya refugees for role in alleged Myanmar genocide
- camillomiller 4y ago
  Yes genocides. Facebook played a pivotal role in the Rohingya genocide in Myanmar. They even admitted to that, but nobody gives a flying f.
  - eru 4y ago
    Snail mail played a vital role in the administrations of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. Is that different or comparable?
    - analognoise 4y ago
      No that's different. What would be closer was IBM working with the Nazis: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
    - Barrin92 4y ago
      It's different because nobody is in charge of snail mail which is merely a technology. Internet platforms have designs, incentives and people in charge for each aspect of their operation. They can chose what to amplify or not. It's been a convenient excuse of internet platforms to characterize themselves as generic technologies that nobody is responsible for or has ownership of, which isn't true. The equivalent to snail mail is something like https, smtp or ssl, not FB.
      - eru 4y ago
        Snail mail is offered by specific companies or organisations. Eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Commissariat_for_Communications https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Commissariat_for_Co...
- mhoad 4y ago
  1. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-faceb... 2. https://www.cfr.org/blog/facebooks-content-moderation-failures-ethiopia https://www.cfr.org/blog/facebooks-content-moderation-failur... 3. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-facebook-files-11631713039 https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-facebook-files-11631713039
hansworst 4y ago
I’m not really sure if I agree with this argument against Facebook. It’s true that Facebook had a part in this, but the same can be said for any kind of media for any given historical conflict. Here’s an article describing the effect radio had on the rise of Hitler: https://daily.jstor.org/an-affordable-radio-brought-nazi-propaganda-home/ https://daily.jstor.org/an-affordable-radio-brought-nazi-pro... A few years before these genocides, western media were praising Facebook for its role in the uprisings in the Middle East. It was seen as a force for good, allowing people to self organise against dictatorial regimes. Hell, back in the day the printing press pretty much brought down all of the power structures at the time, because suddenly people had more free access to information.
- mhoad 4y ago
  I think there are some pretty meaningful differences here where Facebook has been repeatedly made aware of these problems prior to the fact and has consistently responded in the exact same manner by refusing to take any meaningful action and only trying to solve things in so much as it is a PR problem for them. It wasn’t even indifference, they actively undercut and mislead all of the supposed checks and balances they assured everyone were enough both internally and externally. When confronted they have lied to their internal teams, they have lied to lawmakers, they have lied to investors. It is always the same response. There is no room left to leave this as a “mistake that fell through the cracks”. It’s a pattern of behaviour that now spans many years and many incidents. All it has shown is that they appear both incapable and unwilling of reform and should be treated as such.
hulitu 4y ago
Yes, but evil people started cutting the internet and the show had to continue (more restricted) on other stages. They learned nothing from Cambridge Analityca scandal.

And just think all it took was a couple of genocides, breaking society and becoming one of the most despised people in the world.

by mhoad 4y ago

And just think all it took was a couple of genocides, breaking society and becoming one of the most despised people in the world.

Jorengarenar 4y ago

Genocides?

bagels 4y ago
www.washingtonpost.com Facebook sued by Rohingya refugees for role in alleged Myanmar genocide
camillomiller 4y ago
Yes genocides. Facebook played a pivotal role in the Rohingya genocide in Myanmar. They even admitted to that, but nobody gives a flying f.
- eru 4y ago
  Snail mail played a vital role in the administrations of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. Is that different or comparable?
  - analognoise 4y ago
    No that's different. What would be closer was IBM working with the Nazis: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
  - Barrin92 4y ago
    It's different because nobody is in charge of snail mail which is merely a technology. Internet platforms have designs, incentives and people in charge for each aspect of their operation. They can chose what to amplify or not. It's been a convenient excuse of internet platforms to characterize themselves as generic technologies that nobody is responsible for or has ownership of, which isn't true. The equivalent to snail mail is something like https, smtp or ssl, not FB.
    - eru 4y ago
      Snail mail is offered by specific companies or organisations. Eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Commissariat_for_Communications https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Commissariat_for_Co...
mhoad 4y ago
1. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-faceb... 2. https://www.cfr.org/blog/facebooks-content-moderation-failures-ethiopia https://www.cfr.org/blog/facebooks-content-moderation-failur... 3. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-facebook-files-11631713039 https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-facebook-files-11631713039

hansworst 4y ago

I’m not really sure if I agree with this argument against Facebook. It’s true that Facebook had a part in this, but the same can be said for any kind of media for any given historical conflict. Here’s an article describing the effect radio had on the rise of Hitler: https://daily.jstor.org/an-affordable-radio-brought-nazi-propaganda-home/ https://daily.jstor.org/an-affordable-radio-brought-nazi-pro... A few years before these genocides, western media were praising Facebook for its role in the uprisings in the Middle East. It was seen as a force for good, allowing people to self organise against dictatorial regimes. Hell, back in the day the printing press pretty much brought down all of the power structures at the time, because suddenly people had more free access to information.

mhoad 4y ago
I think there are some pretty meaningful differences here where Facebook has been repeatedly made aware of these problems prior to the fact and has consistently responded in the exact same manner by refusing to take any meaningful action and only trying to solve things in so much as it is a PR problem for them. It wasn’t even indifference, they actively undercut and mislead all of the supposed checks and balances they assured everyone were enough both internally and externally. When confronted they have lied to their internal teams, they have lied to lawmakers, they have lied to investors. It is always the same response. There is no room left to leave this as a “mistake that fell through the cracks”. It’s a pattern of behaviour that now spans many years and many incidents. All it has shown is that they appear both incapable and unwilling of reform and should be treated as such.

hulitu 4y ago

Yes, but evil people started cutting the internet and the show had to continue (more restricted) on other stages. They learned nothing from Cambridge Analityca scandal.