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1. How do you know there will be no harm or is no harm? These issues are not manifesting in a timeline of a few weeks. 2. Why do you think the ethical reasoning

by mola 4y ago

1. How do you know there will be no harm or is no harm? These issues are not manifesting in a timeline of a few weeks. 2. Why do you think the ethical reasoning is disengenious in Google's case? Even in OpenAI case it could be that originally the ethicist won some battles where business ppl eventually prevailed. 3. Why do you use quotes around a something which is your original phrasing? That's pretty disengenious. 4. What's wrong with affirmative action ? It's easy to argue that it has both utilitarian and other moral adventages. I won't claim it is always warranted or the right thing to do, but it definitely not an obvious consensual evil.

AbrahamParangi 4y ago
Affirmative action (like google’s moral imperatives here) are fairly unpopular, so many view their actions as a kind of encroaching cultural imperialism. When Google talks about “safety” it means enforcing a very specific set of beliefs that frankly a large majority of people disagree with.* It isn’t impermissible for Google to do this, but nobody has to like it, or agree with it. *for instance, affirmative action is disapproved of by 70-80% of Americans and couldn’t win on a ballot in California in 2020 which is pretty exceptional.
i_like_apis 4y ago
It not only isn’t technically feasible, it also isn’t rational, or even ethical to be portraying a warped version of the world. What they want is for results of “software engineer” to be equally likely to show black females. This is not fair to Eskimos and Aboriginals. And what about the mentally handicapped? Is it not unfair that people with Downs Syndrome are not Wall Street stock brokers? How are you going to find all of these “affluent” categories and claim to be able to balance them? And are you going to claim racism again when to ask for prison inmates and you don’t find any Asians? Should you start putting latent space Asians in latent space prisons? Because this is a main harp of the social justice “ethicists” - that if you ask these models for “gang member” you get “People Of Color!!” … as if they simply don’t understand the statistics of situation. How would you even “solve” that? Should you decide when and where certain ethnic groups should be taken down a peg? Latent space affirmative action is technically absurd, an completely ironic as “ethical” behavior.

by mola 4y ago

AbrahamParangi 4y ago

Affirmative action (like google’s moral imperatives here) are fairly unpopular, so many view their actions as a kind of encroaching cultural imperialism. When Google talks about “safety” it means enforcing a very specific set of beliefs that frankly a large majority of people disagree with.* It isn’t impermissible for Google to do this, but nobody has to like it, or agree with it. *for instance, affirmative action is disapproved of by 70-80% of Americans and couldn’t win on a ballot in California in 2020 which is pretty exceptional.

i_like_apis 4y ago

It not only isn’t technically feasible, it also isn’t rational, or even ethical to be portraying a warped version of the world. What they want is for results of “software engineer” to be equally likely to show black females. This is not fair to Eskimos and Aboriginals. And what about the mentally handicapped? Is it not unfair that people with Downs Syndrome are not Wall Street stock brokers? How are you going to find all of these “affluent” categories and claim to be able to balance them? And are you going to claim racism again when to ask for prison inmates and you don’t find any Asians? Should you start putting latent space Asians in latent space prisons? Because this is a main harp of the social justice “ethicists” - that if you ask these models for “gang member” you get “People Of Color!!” … as if they simply don’t understand the statistics of situation. How would you even “solve” that? Should you decide when and where certain ethnic groups should be taken down a peg? Latent space affirmative action is technically absurd, an completely ironic as “ethical” behavior.