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The Grateful Dead created some unique music in the early 1970s, best characterized as a kind of bluegrass-rock blend. However, their later popularity and touri

The Grateful Dead created some unique music in the early 1970s, best characterized as a kind of bluegrass-rock blend. However, their later popularity and touring in the late 1980s turned into a really pathetic spectacle. Some of this was likely related to Jerry Garcia's heroin addiction (which undoubtedly contributed, along with other factors like smoking cigarettes, to his early death at age 53). Dead shows of the period were well known as the place to go to score the best heroin among druggie circles of all kinds. This all predated the opiate marketing game and the rise of the pain pill clinics, whose results can be seen wandering the streets of any major American city today. It's really a kind of sad tale, but I still like their early music (the vast majority of which wasn't taped with any quality).

gumby 4y ago
I felt the heroin-soaked period of 73-77 was the best Dead of them all (some tunes down to almost 60 beats per minute) though as they started to pick up a bit in 78 that was pretty great too. By the late 80s they had ended up as a really good cover band playing Grateful Dead material. Though there were flashes of brilliance even then, I had a hard time getting up the energy to hear anything but local shows. I didn't (and don't like) taking the drugs myself, though there was always a contact high / breathing the atmosphere that would tune me up. But the drugs just got in the way of the music.
- DonHopkins 4y ago
  I often accidentally call them "Grateful Dead Conferences" because so many tech people I knew and worked with in Silicon Valley and regularly saw at computer conferences and trade shows would show up (like you, Fen, Gilmore, Barlow, etc). (That was back when the hippies were in charge, before the frat bros took over.) Q: What did the Deadhead say when he ran out of marijuana? A: "This music sucks!" ;)
  - Jgrubb 4y ago
    Just curious - you ever listen to railroad earth? I used to be in that band and we killed in the Bay Area. It was said by some that we “filled their jerry hole”, which was some of the highest and funniest praise we got.
    - DonHopkins 4y ago
      Wow cool! That is indeed the highest praise, though easily misinterpreted out of context. I saw a bunch of Flying Other Brothers concerts, who started at an Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) benefit at The Fillmore Auditorium in 1997, and occasionally backed Bob Weir and Mickey Hart! http://www.fob.com/band/ http://www.fob.com/band/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Other_Brothers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Other_Brothers
- lioeters 4y ago
  > drugs just got in the way of the music You're talking about rock music and the Dead. Drugs were the catalyst, an essential aspect of the musical experience for many of the performancers and the audience. But you're totally right, drugs were the solvent too, dissolving focus, talent, and brilliance to fade away. It's a risk and (sometimes fatal) attraction, I think largely due to the lack of cultural knowledge for responsible and sustainable recreational drug use.
tchaffee 4y ago
Why would heroin contribute to his early death? If you don't overdose (a real risk) about the worst opiates do is cause constipation. No major organ damage and opiate users have lived well into old age. Dr. Halsted was one of the "Big Four" founding professors at the Johns Hopkins Hospital, and lived until 1922 - 70 years old. Addicted to morphine for much of his adult life. Opiates are dangerous and highly addictive and people should stay away from them except for serious pain management. However they aren't going to do the kind of cumulative organ damage that cigarettes and alcohol abuse do.
- 01100011 4y ago
  In Jerry's case it was more likely chili dogs. He fell into a diabetic coma in '86, after which he had to relearn how to play guitar. It really aged him. I believe opiates do mess with your hormones, which could have subtle effects which do affect lifespan, but yeah, I mostly agree. Opiates won't seriously damage your health if you are responsible.
  - mito88 4y ago
    heart attack caused by severe sleep apnea

gumby 4y ago

I felt the heroin-soaked period of 73-77 was the best Dead of them all (some tunes down to almost 60 beats per minute) though as they started to pick up a bit in 78 that was pretty great too. By the late 80s they had ended up as a really good cover band playing Grateful Dead material. Though there were flashes of brilliance even then, I had a hard time getting up the energy to hear anything but local shows. I didn't (and don't like) taking the drugs myself, though there was always a contact high / breathing the atmosphere that would tune me up. But the drugs just got in the way of the music.

DonHopkins 4y ago
I often accidentally call them "Grateful Dead Conferences" because so many tech people I knew and worked with in Silicon Valley and regularly saw at computer conferences and trade shows would show up (like you, Fen, Gilmore, Barlow, etc). (That was back when the hippies were in charge, before the frat bros took over.) Q: What did the Deadhead say when he ran out of marijuana? A: "This music sucks!" ;)
- Jgrubb 4y ago
  Just curious - you ever listen to railroad earth? I used to be in that band and we killed in the Bay Area. It was said by some that we “filled their jerry hole”, which was some of the highest and funniest praise we got.
  - DonHopkins 4y ago
    Wow cool! That is indeed the highest praise, though easily misinterpreted out of context. I saw a bunch of Flying Other Brothers concerts, who started at an Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) benefit at The Fillmore Auditorium in 1997, and occasionally backed Bob Weir and Mickey Hart! http://www.fob.com/band/ http://www.fob.com/band/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Other_Brothers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Other_Brothers
lioeters 4y ago
> drugs just got in the way of the music You're talking about rock music and the Dead. Drugs were the catalyst, an essential aspect of the musical experience for many of the performancers and the audience. But you're totally right, drugs were the solvent too, dissolving focus, talent, and brilliance to fade away. It's a risk and (sometimes fatal) attraction, I think largely due to the lack of cultural knowledge for responsible and sustainable recreational drug use.

tchaffee 4y ago

Why would heroin contribute to his early death? If you don't overdose (a real risk) about the worst opiates do is cause constipation. No major organ damage and opiate users have lived well into old age. Dr. Halsted was one of the "Big Four" founding professors at the Johns Hopkins Hospital, and lived until 1922 - 70 years old. Addicted to morphine for much of his adult life. Opiates are dangerous and highly addictive and people should stay away from them except for serious pain management. However they aren't going to do the kind of cumulative organ damage that cigarettes and alcohol abuse do.

01100011 4y ago
In Jerry's case it was more likely chili dogs. He fell into a diabetic coma in '86, after which he had to relearn how to play guitar. It really aged him. I believe opiates do mess with your hormones, which could have subtle effects which do affect lifespan, but yeah, I mostly agree. Opiates won't seriously damage your health if you are responsible.
- mito88 4y ago
  heart attack caused by severe sleep apnea