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It is a pipeline problem, but there are very strong social and political vested interests that really don't want to admit it. The whole DEI industry leeches off

It is a pipeline problem, but there are very strong social and political vested interests that really don't want to admit it. The whole DEI industry leeches off productive companies by setting impossible standards of 50% female software engineers or perfect racial representation. If we admit that this is unrealistic, many DEI departments will no longer have a reason to exist. To tweak the popular Upton Sinclair quote, it's difficult to get an industry to admit that a problem is solved, when their salary depends on not solving it.

remarkEon 4y ago
>The whole DEI industry leeches off productive companies I actually think it's a little more insidious than that. Large companies, already established in their respective industries, build what are competitive moats by employing the DEI industry. Scrappy start-up that has something intriguing to offer? Oh but you don't have a VP of Diversity and Inclusion (that you can't afford) and you don't have a plan for ... I don't know what, exactly. Well you're not part of the team then. Companies like Google, Amazon, and so on actually want this to continue because it stifles competition.
- cinquemb 4y ago
  > I actually think it's a little more insidious than that. It's worse than that. FB sent me and my cofounder a C&D for our side project, then wanted to hire me for their "black clique" in NYC to work on react ~2015 when i was working on brain computer interfaces at the time at a lab. You know you are gonna get the "easy lay up", everyone there will know it too (I'm not the type to put much effort into studying for tech interviews and I have cheme background not compsi so i find the questions dull many times). And all of the "of color" people who play into it for their personal benefit just make it worse... (not to mention, even for a lot of these kinds of software jobs i had that weren't very interesting intellectually but paid alot, I pretty much vaped as much weed as I could just to make to lunch, and I would have played into all those sterotypes about black men as well...) Fuck em.
  - remarkEon 4y ago
    I get the sense that a lot of these people that push these initiatives would be the kind of people who get upset that Ireland is full of the Irish.
    - cinquemb 4y ago
      Ha, I have no idea what goes on in their minds. But it took a lot of energy to pretend to care all the time when i'm around those types (because they see that I have the same skin color, and immediately their expectations are primed).

remarkEon 4y ago

>The whole DEI industry leeches off productive companies I actually think it's a little more insidious than that. Large companies, already established in their respective industries, build what are competitive moats by employing the DEI industry. Scrappy start-up that has something intriguing to offer? Oh but you don't have a VP of Diversity and Inclusion (that you can't afford) and you don't have a plan for ... I don't know what, exactly. Well you're not part of the team then. Companies like Google, Amazon, and so on actually want this to continue because it stifles competition.

cinquemb 4y ago
> I actually think it's a little more insidious than that. It's worse than that. FB sent me and my cofounder a C&D for our side project, then wanted to hire me for their "black clique" in NYC to work on react ~2015 when i was working on brain computer interfaces at the time at a lab. You know you are gonna get the "easy lay up", everyone there will know it too (I'm not the type to put much effort into studying for tech interviews and I have cheme background not compsi so i find the questions dull many times). And all of the "of color" people who play into it for their personal benefit just make it worse... (not to mention, even for a lot of these kinds of software jobs i had that weren't very interesting intellectually but paid alot, I pretty much vaped as much weed as I could just to make to lunch, and I would have played into all those sterotypes about black men as well...) Fuck em.
- remarkEon 4y ago
  I get the sense that a lot of these people that push these initiatives would be the kind of people who get upset that Ireland is full of the Irish.
  - cinquemb 4y ago
    Ha, I have no idea what goes on in their minds. But it took a lot of energy to pretend to care all the time when i'm around those types (because they see that I have the same skin color, and immediately their expectations are primed).