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You also seem to just self declare on most applications, so claim whatever race/gender/sexuality you want. I am gay. Prove me wrong.

zapdrive 4y ago
JetAlone 4y ago
Careful what you wish for, the commissars might catch up to you one day and bring out the gimp.
- JetAlone 4y ago
  I joke but it's serious, governments or other offices wanting into your bedroom to verify if you qualify as regards occupational opportunities/requirements to prove it is a thing historically. Literally, give them enough rope and they'll try pushing it. https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2013/08/exemption-gay-men-iran-milita-1.html https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2013/08/exemption-gay-m... " If the psychological diagnosis confirms the individual’s homosexuality, an official, permanent exemption is issued for him. More often than not, a thorough rectal exam follows the mental evaluation. The physician’s observations providing proof of occurred same-sex intercourse is then written formally and submitted to the military. In some cases, further detail-oriented exams come into play, so the decision-makers can be certain of the applicant’s “queerness," making sure they are genuine, not a false pretense to escape the service. " It's honestly a disgusting overreach whether you're trying to include or exclude people of whatever sexual proclivity. We can become like Iran, but for any ideology, given enough time and institutionalized dogmatism.
geofft 4y ago
I'm not sure this is relevant to the article. It's saying that grant proposals must include plans to promote diversity, not that grant proposals must come from people of any particular race/gender/sexuality.
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  I believe they already address diversity though in their regulations, so I have a feeling this is indicative that they plan implement quotas which is ultimately discriminatory.
  - geofft 4y ago
    I'm not sure I see how that's connected to the article or the linked DOE policy - can you expand on what gets you that feeling? It seems to be saying the precise opposite of that, in my reading.
    - encryptluks2 4y ago
      See Hopwood v. Texas and Fisher v. University of Texas for examples of affirmative action causing schools to deny applicants based on race. Based on the new requirements, it appears to indicate that it will encourage grant applicants to do just that and implement quota-based programs.
- throwawaysleep 4y ago
  This is in practice a quota system. They can’t say that, but that is what is expected.
ajross 4y ago
> I am gay. Prove me wrong. The weird thing about this is that you're relying on a clear sense of your own identity (that you are not gay, because if you were you wouldn't challenge someone to prove you wrong, you'd just say it) to deny the value of other people doing the same thing, but with a different answer. To wit: you're yelling about your own sexuality in an argument about how we shouldn't have to hear about someone else's. You know how all those woke folk talk about "privilege"? That's what privilege is. Trans kids don't get to say stuff like that on the internet, only straight guys.
- throwawaysleep 4y ago
  I deny that it should matter for grants, hiring, and other career benefits. But it does and while it does, I shall claim I am gay.
  - ajross 4y ago
    That's what you said the first time, and I get the irony. I'm just struck that you're taking such care in your phrasing to clarify to the folks here how you're not actually gay. That doesn't seem to you to cut against your point? You think your identity is important enough not to be ambiguous about it[1], but not important enough to maybe be worth checking to see if people are being fair about it? (Which at the end of the day is all this policy means.) [1] I mean, why not just say "I'm gay, and I this helps me even though it shouldn't"? It's because you don't want people to think you're actually gay, right? I find that really interesting.
    - hattmall 4y ago
      I don't think they care about what people think with regard to their sexuality on an anonymous website. The point is you can't hand check diversity when it applies to a matter of personal preference. That makes any forced diversity of that preference pointless.
    - Velc 4y ago
      Snide comment, painful to read. Why should he say something that’s not true just to make people think he’s gay? Your logic is flawed.
collegeburner 4y ago
among my generation this has already caught on among some groups of young white women for "diversity clout" if that's a thing. they are all suddenly "bi" and put pride flags in their insta and tiktok bios. prove them wrong. p.s. there are doubtless plenty who are fr but there's a lot of bs too.
- dtjb 4y ago
  I don't mean this as snide as it sounds, but really, who cares?
  - thereisnospork 4y ago
    The DOE, to start.
  - throwawaysleep 4y ago
    Jobs. Scholarships. Committees. Boards.
  - collegeburner 4y ago
    i don't much honestly. a few bi friends have complained but i don't much agree with the whole "appropriation" angle. it does matter if people start getting advantages from it, though, and that's literally the subject of this thread. hell if it meant the difference between grant and no grant i'd claim it, what can they do?
  - treeman79 4y ago
    Perhaps the people that don’t want to participate in open bigotry and other nonsense.
  - dymk 4y ago
    My company counts participation in groups such as the LGBT employees group as part of your yearly review.
    - collegeburner 4y ago

zapdrive 4y ago

JetAlone 4y ago

Careful what you wish for, the commissars might catch up to you one day and bring out the gimp.

JetAlone 4y ago
I joke but it's serious, governments or other offices wanting into your bedroom to verify if you qualify as regards occupational opportunities/requirements to prove it is a thing historically. Literally, give them enough rope and they'll try pushing it. https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2013/08/exemption-gay-men-iran-milita-1.html https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2013/08/exemption-gay-m... " If the psychological diagnosis confirms the individual’s homosexuality, an official, permanent exemption is issued for him. More often than not, a thorough rectal exam follows the mental evaluation. The physician’s observations providing proof of occurred same-sex intercourse is then written formally and submitted to the military. In some cases, further detail-oriented exams come into play, so the decision-makers can be certain of the applicant’s “queerness," making sure they are genuine, not a false pretense to escape the service. " It's honestly a disgusting overreach whether you're trying to include or exclude people of whatever sexual proclivity. We can become like Iran, but for any ideology, given enough time and institutionalized dogmatism.

geofft 4y ago

I'm not sure this is relevant to the article. It's saying that grant proposals must include plans to promote diversity, not that grant proposals must come from people of any particular race/gender/sexuality.

encryptluks2 4y ago
I believe they already address diversity though in their regulations, so I have a feeling this is indicative that they plan implement quotas which is ultimately discriminatory.
- geofft 4y ago
  I'm not sure I see how that's connected to the article or the linked DOE policy - can you expand on what gets you that feeling? It seems to be saying the precise opposite of that, in my reading.
  - encryptluks2 4y ago
    See Hopwood v. Texas and Fisher v. University of Texas for examples of affirmative action causing schools to deny applicants based on race. Based on the new requirements, it appears to indicate that it will encourage grant applicants to do just that and implement quota-based programs.
throwawaysleep 4y ago
This is in practice a quota system. They can’t say that, but that is what is expected.

ajross 4y ago

> I am gay. Prove me wrong. The weird thing about this is that you're relying on a clear sense of your own identity (that you are not gay, because if you were you wouldn't challenge someone to prove you wrong, you'd just say it) to deny the value of other people doing the same thing, but with a different answer. To wit: you're yelling about your own sexuality in an argument about how we shouldn't have to hear about someone else's. You know how all those woke folk talk about "privilege"? That's what privilege is. Trans kids don't get to say stuff like that on the internet, only straight guys.

throwawaysleep 4y ago
I deny that it should matter for grants, hiring, and other career benefits. But it does and while it does, I shall claim I am gay.
- ajross 4y ago
  That's what you said the first time, and I get the irony. I'm just struck that you're taking such care in your phrasing to clarify to the folks here how you're not actually gay. That doesn't seem to you to cut against your point? You think your identity is important enough not to be ambiguous about it[1], but not important enough to maybe be worth checking to see if people are being fair about it? (Which at the end of the day is all this policy means.) [1] I mean, why not just say "I'm gay, and I this helps me even though it shouldn't"? It's because you don't want people to think you're actually gay, right? I find that really interesting.
  - hattmall 4y ago
    I don't think they care about what people think with regard to their sexuality on an anonymous website. The point is you can't hand check diversity when it applies to a matter of personal preference. That makes any forced diversity of that preference pointless.
  - Velc 4y ago
    Snide comment, painful to read. Why should he say something that’s not true just to make people think he’s gay? Your logic is flawed.

collegeburner 4y ago

among my generation this has already caught on among some groups of young white women for "diversity clout" if that's a thing. they are all suddenly "bi" and put pride flags in their insta and tiktok bios. prove them wrong. p.s. there are doubtless plenty who are fr but there's a lot of bs too.

dtjb 4y ago
I don't mean this as snide as it sounds, but really, who cares?
- thereisnospork 4y ago
  The DOE, to start.
- throwawaysleep 4y ago
  Jobs. Scholarships. Committees. Boards.
- collegeburner 4y ago
  i don't much honestly. a few bi friends have complained but i don't much agree with the whole "appropriation" angle. it does matter if people start getting advantages from it, though, and that's literally the subject of this thread. hell if it meant the difference between grant and no grant i'd claim it, what can they do?
- treeman79 4y ago
  Perhaps the people that don’t want to participate in open bigotry and other nonsense.
- dymk 4y ago
  My company counts participation in groups such as the LGBT employees group as part of your yearly review.
  - collegeburner 4y ago