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How is Google “more open”? Surely you don’t mean because of Android? https://www.engadget.com/2018-07-18-eu-commission-google-record-fine.html https://www.enga

How is Google “more open”? Surely you don’t mean because of Android? https://www.engadget.com/2018-07-18-eu-commission-google-record-fine.html https://www.engadget.com/2018-07-18-eu-commission-google-rec... https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/07/googles-iron-grip-on-android-controlling-open-source-by-any-means-necessary/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/07/googles-iron-grip-on...

fomine3 4y ago
Still far better than Apple for open
- scarface74 4y ago
  How so? You can not profitable sell an Android phone without the closed sourced Google Play Services in any country outside of China any more than you can sell a phone running Darwin.
  - fomine3 4y ago
    As you said, they can sell without Google for China and technically it's possible on other market (see Amazon Fire, Meta Quest) and widely used for embeddeds, thanks to open core OS. AppleOS device is by 3rd party strictly impossible.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      Yes if you have the resources of a company worth over 1 trillion dollars you too can take advantage of the crumbs bestowed on you by Google to make a successful platform in the West…
      - fomine3 4y ago
        You can see other non big tech examples like DJI controller, and don't miss embeddeds like credit card terminal. Anyway no 3rd party can make AppleOS device, period.
  - jvolkman 4y ago
    My tv runs Android. My exercise bike runs Android. My DJI drone's controller runs Android.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      Your TV probably runs Android with Google’s proprietary stack on top..
      - netheril96 4y ago
        My TV doesn’t (I’m in China).
bruce511 4y ago
I think you are using "open" in one sense (open source) whereas the original meaning may have been in the sense of "more open use". Obviously yes, Google is more open source than say apple, but clearly less than say red hat. That's not to say Google is "completely open source" but objectively it's "more" than some. In terms of usability though Google is pretty open. You can install any software on your android phone, whereas apple controls everything you do on ios. You can access pretty much all Google services via an api, Facebook and twitter much less so. In general, Google is more open in that sense. In the sense of open source, Google is more open than some, but generally would not be considered an "open source company". Other than android there's not much offering there.

fomine3 4y ago

Still far better than Apple for open

scarface74 4y ago
How so? You can not profitable sell an Android phone without the closed sourced Google Play Services in any country outside of China any more than you can sell a phone running Darwin.
- fomine3 4y ago
  As you said, they can sell without Google for China and technically it's possible on other market (see Amazon Fire, Meta Quest) and widely used for embeddeds, thanks to open core OS. AppleOS device is by 3rd party strictly impossible.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Yes if you have the resources of a company worth over 1 trillion dollars you too can take advantage of the crumbs bestowed on you by Google to make a successful platform in the West…
    - fomine3 4y ago
      You can see other non big tech examples like DJI controller, and don't miss embeddeds like credit card terminal. Anyway no 3rd party can make AppleOS device, period.
- jvolkman 4y ago
  My tv runs Android. My exercise bike runs Android. My DJI drone's controller runs Android.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Your TV probably runs Android with Google’s proprietary stack on top..
    - netheril96 4y ago
      My TV doesn’t (I’m in China).

bruce511 4y ago

I think you are using "open" in one sense (open source) whereas the original meaning may have been in the sense of "more open use". Obviously yes, Google is more open source than say apple, but clearly less than say red hat. That's not to say Google is "completely open source" but objectively it's "more" than some. In terms of usability though Google is pretty open. You can install any software on your android phone, whereas apple controls everything you do on ios. You can access pretty much all Google services via an api, Facebook and twitter much less so. In general, Google is more open in that sense. In the sense of open source, Google is more open than some, but generally would not be considered an "open source company". Other than android there's not much offering there.