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anyone knows why the last release is 4 years ago? the tool is so popular that this kind of release cadence seems weird https://github.com/stedolan/jq/releases/

by mi_lk 4y ago

anyone knows why the last release is 4 years ago? the tool is so popular that this kind of release cadence seems weird https://github.com/stedolan/jq/releases/tag/jq-1.6 https://github.com/stedolan/jq/releases/tag/jq-1.6

gavinsyancey 4y ago
It works, and does what it is supposed to. Why does it need a new version?
- AirStreamer27 4y ago
  To compete with the newer, blazingly fast tools
  - brad0 4y ago
    What are the competitors in the jq space?
    - llimllib 4y ago
      At least jaq[1] gojq[2], and jp[3] (this last of which is jmespath rather than the jq query language) [1]: https://github.com/01mf02/jaq https://github.com/01mf02/jaq [2]: https://github.com/itchyny/gojq https://github.com/itchyny/gojq [3]: https://github.com/jmespath/jp https://github.com/jmespath/jp
      - mdaniel 4y ago
        I especially love gojq thanks to this change: $ echo '{"alpha":"beta"}' | jq -r '"hello $.alpha$"' jq: error: syntax error, unexpected INVALID_CHARACTER (Unix shell quoting issues?) at <top-level>, line 1: "hello $.alpha$" jq: 1 compile error $ echo '{"alpha":"beta"}' | gojq -r '"hello $.alpha$"' gojq: invalid query: "hello $.alpha$" "hello $.alpha$" ^ unexpected token "\\" because (a) muscle memory (b) sure, it's easy to spot that mistake in an 18 character expression, but for bigger ones, getouttahere
        gregmac 4y ago
        There's a particularly complicated system I built a few years ago that heavily leaned on jq for configuring some backend systems. It had lots of variables piped in and so that particular error was common. From your snippet, I'm pretty sure gojq would have saved me many hours of debugging.
        raverbashing 4y ago
        Yeah the ergonomy and error messaging of jq is complicated I'm not a big fan of the language, but it works
      - tux2bsd 4y ago
        jp --help "It's complicated, you know"
    - benibela 4y ago
      Xidel for XPath on JSON, XML, and HTML: https://github.com/benibela/xidel https://github.com/benibela/xidel
AgentME 4y ago
If there's no planned changes or unreleased work in the repo, then there's not much need for more releases. Jq is a pretty small tool and isn't obviously incomplete. Though it's funny because I do agree that in the past that jq wasn't having its committed code being released often enough. There was a popular Github issue[1] with arguments and 70+ reactions about a confusing feature in jq that turned out to have already been fixed and committed in 2015, before the Github issue was even opened, but the fix didn't actually make it into a released version until 2018. Definitely one of the more frustrating cases of investigating a software issue I ran into. Everyone should make sure their project's release process can promptly release updates! [1] https://github.com/stedolan/jq/issues/1110 https://github.com/stedolan/jq/issues/1110
- thayne 4y ago
  It isn't obviously complete either, and definitely still has bugs. And there are significant changes on master that haven't made it into a release yet. I think it is more that the maintainer(s) no longer have a lot of time to put into it. Which is fine and understandable. Maybe eventually a fork will gain enough traction to take over, or maybe one of the alternatives will become more popular, or maybe the maintainer will come back, or pass it on to someone else.
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kapilvt 4y ago
I've also wondered this, afaics the project appears effectively unmaintained, ci appears to have been broken for a while, and both pull requests and issues piling up with not much response. it does appear there are several other folks with commit access to the repo :shrug:
cryptonector 4y ago
We, the maintainers, ran out of energy. We had big PRs to work on that sucked a lot of energy, then covid happened, and lots of distractions, and now we have no active maintainers. The community at times got unruly and required bursts of our energy. Will and I felt burned out on jq. That said, I'm trying to bring on a new maintainer, and I'll try to find energy during the holidays, which is when I usually find energy for jq. Also, I can't reach Stephen, which means the only way to add new maintainers is to fork the project, which I don't want to do without Stephen's approval. I've created a `jqlang` org in GitHub just to squat on the name, but before I ever fork it, I want Stephen's approval, and I want him to accept ownership in the org -- it's his baby!
- jrockway 4y ago
  You guys did a great job with jq so thank you for everything you've put into it. It's a tool I use multiple times a day, every day. Also, I love your documentation page! When I saw the comment "why is the latest release so old" my thought was "because it's perfect".
  - cryptonector 4y ago
    It needs a bunch of love. It really needs a way to define new builtins externally, and it needs co-routines. And it needs a way to do binary (my idea: treat binary as an array of small integers, and if you ever insert any other kind of value, then you either get an error or you get an array that's mostly of small integers and no longer "binary" in any way).
- stonepresto 4y ago
  Thank you for producing such an excellent language! I'll always recommend it, its come in handy so many times and fits nicely in a lot of workflows.
  - cryptonector 4y ago
    Thank Stephen Dolan.
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by mi_lk 4y ago

gavinsyancey 4y ago

It works, and does what it is supposed to. Why does it need a new version?

AirStreamer27 4y ago
To compete with the newer, blazingly fast tools
- brad0 4y ago
  What are the competitors in the jq space?
  - llimllib 4y ago
    At least jaq[1] gojq[2], and jp[3] (this last of which is jmespath rather than the jq query language) [1]: https://github.com/01mf02/jaq https://github.com/01mf02/jaq [2]: https://github.com/itchyny/gojq https://github.com/itchyny/gojq [3]: https://github.com/jmespath/jp https://github.com/jmespath/jp
    - mdaniel 4y ago
      I especially love gojq thanks to this change: $ echo '{"alpha":"beta"}' | jq -r '"hello $.alpha$"' jq: error: syntax error, unexpected INVALID_CHARACTER (Unix shell quoting issues?) at <top-level>, line 1: "hello $.alpha$" jq: 1 compile error $ echo '{"alpha":"beta"}' | gojq -r '"hello $.alpha$"' gojq: invalid query: "hello $.alpha$" "hello $.alpha$" ^ unexpected token "\\" because (a) muscle memory (b) sure, it's easy to spot that mistake in an 18 character expression, but for bigger ones, getouttahere
      - gregmac 4y ago
        There's a particularly complicated system I built a few years ago that heavily leaned on jq for configuring some backend systems. It had lots of variables piped in and so that particular error was common. From your snippet, I'm pretty sure gojq would have saved me many hours of debugging.
      - raverbashing 4y ago
        Yeah the ergonomy and error messaging of jq is complicated I'm not a big fan of the language, but it works
    - tux2bsd 4y ago
      jp --help "It's complicated, you know"
  - benibela 4y ago
    Xidel for XPath on JSON, XML, and HTML: https://github.com/benibela/xidel https://github.com/benibela/xidel

AgentME 4y ago

If there's no planned changes or unreleased work in the repo, then there's not much need for more releases. Jq is a pretty small tool and isn't obviously incomplete. Though it's funny because I do agree that in the past that jq wasn't having its committed code being released often enough. There was a popular Github issue[1] with arguments and 70+ reactions about a confusing feature in jq that turned out to have already been fixed and committed in 2015, before the Github issue was even opened, but the fix didn't actually make it into a released version until 2018. Definitely one of the more frustrating cases of investigating a software issue I ran into. Everyone should make sure their project's release process can promptly release updates! [1] https://github.com/stedolan/jq/issues/1110 https://github.com/stedolan/jq/issues/1110

thayne 4y ago
It isn't obviously complete either, and definitely still has bugs. And there are significant changes on master that haven't made it into a release yet. I think it is more that the maintainer(s) no longer have a lot of time to put into it. Which is fine and understandable. Maybe eventually a fork will gain enough traction to take over, or maybe one of the alternatives will become more popular, or maybe the maintainer will come back, or pass it on to someone else.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]

kapilvt 4y ago

I've also wondered this, afaics the project appears effectively unmaintained, ci appears to have been broken for a while, and both pull requests and issues piling up with not much response. it does appear there are several other folks with commit access to the repo :shrug:

cryptonector 4y ago

We, the maintainers, ran out of energy. We had big PRs to work on that sucked a lot of energy, then covid happened, and lots of distractions, and now we have no active maintainers. The community at times got unruly and required bursts of our energy. Will and I felt burned out on jq. That said, I'm trying to bring on a new maintainer, and I'll try to find energy during the holidays, which is when I usually find energy for jq. Also, I can't reach Stephen, which means the only way to add new maintainers is to fork the project, which I don't want to do without Stephen's approval. I've created a `jqlang` org in GitHub just to squat on the name, but before I ever fork it, I want Stephen's approval, and I want him to accept ownership in the org -- it's his baby!

jrockway 4y ago
You guys did a great job with jq so thank you for everything you've put into it. It's a tool I use multiple times a day, every day. Also, I love your documentation page! When I saw the comment "why is the latest release so old" my thought was "because it's perfect".
- cryptonector 4y ago
  It needs a bunch of love. It really needs a way to define new builtins externally, and it needs co-routines. And it needs a way to do binary (my idea: treat binary as an array of small integers, and if you ever insert any other kind of value, then you either get an error or you get an array that's mostly of small integers and no longer "binary" in any way).
stonepresto 4y ago
Thank you for producing such an excellent language! I'll always recommend it, its come in handy so many times and fits nicely in a lot of workflows.
- cryptonector 4y ago
  Thank Stephen Dolan.
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