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is Democracy and the integrity thereof not the single most sacred and important thing everyone cares about with regards to government in the West? that's what e

is Democracy and the integrity thereof not the single most sacred and important thing everyone cares about with regards to government in the West? that's what everyone says all the time, "we're not a constitutional republic, or if we are I don't really like care or whatever—what matters is, we're a Democracy, Democracy is what matters, Democracy is all that matters." well okay then, if it's so damn important, what the hell is this complete unwillingness to do everything humanly possible to protect it? you can't have it both ways, if you don't ruthlessly defend the institutions that are supposed to be the cornerstone of contemporary Western society, what do you expect will happen? foreign powers are all too happy to ruthlessly exploit what we delude ourselves into believing isn't worth defending.

jjulius 4y ago
>well okay then, if it's so damn important, what the hell is this complete unwillingness to do everything humanly possible to protect it? For having chastised people in another post for focusing too much on "regicide" and not on OP's "completely 100% valid point", I am a bit surprised that you're ignoring my own comments, such as: >Don't confuse this with me saying that espionage isn't possible here I'm saying, hold the fucking phone before you call for someone's murder, especially before you abdicate for their public dismemberment. Let's see what the facts of the case are before we determine how far to go with punishment (and I say this as someone being fully open to this being an act against the US that should be punished accordingly). At no point have I suggested we take on a "complete unwillingness to do everything humanly possible to protect it". Is nuance dead? Must things be all or nothing? "KILL THEM NOW, and if you dare disagree with that sentiment then surely you are unwilling to defend the US at all"? Seriously?
- adamrezich 4y ago
  > I'm saying, hold the fucking phone before you call for someone's murder what is a trial EDIT: where are you from where people get executed for crimes without a trial, why would anyone need to explicitly state that? I'm breathing fine thanks
  - jjulius 4y ago
    Something you didn't mention in your posts, nor asked me if I was in favor of doing, prior to you demanding that I defend the US and implying that I'm unwilling to do so. I think you need to go outside and take a few deep breathes.
  - jjulius 4y ago
    >where are you from where people get executed for crimes without a trial, why would anyone need to explicitly state that? In the context of OP repeatedly calling for their dismemberment, I said, "Hold up, let's find out more before we tear his arms off," and then you went on a diatribe about defending the country and suggesting I am unwilling to do so. I'm unsure how to read that other than tacit support for OP's sentiment; it genuinely sounds like you're disagreeing with me. Once again we find ourselves at the point I made in response to your other comment in this chain about how delivery matters.

jjulius 4y ago

>well okay then, if it's so damn important, what the hell is this complete unwillingness to do everything humanly possible to protect it? For having chastised people in another post for focusing too much on "regicide" and not on OP's "completely 100% valid point", I am a bit surprised that you're ignoring my own comments, such as: >Don't confuse this with me saying that espionage isn't possible here I'm saying, hold the fucking phone before you call for someone's murder, especially before you abdicate for their public dismemberment. Let's see what the facts of the case are before we determine how far to go with punishment (and I say this as someone being fully open to this being an act against the US that should be punished accordingly). At no point have I suggested we take on a "complete unwillingness to do everything humanly possible to protect it". Is nuance dead? Must things be all or nothing? "KILL THEM NOW, and if you dare disagree with that sentiment then surely you are unwilling to defend the US at all"? Seriously?

adamrezich 4y ago
> I'm saying, hold the fucking phone before you call for someone's murder what is a trial EDIT: where are you from where people get executed for crimes without a trial, why would anyone need to explicitly state that? I'm breathing fine thanks
- jjulius 4y ago
  Something you didn't mention in your posts, nor asked me if I was in favor of doing, prior to you demanding that I defend the US and implying that I'm unwilling to do so. I think you need to go outside and take a few deep breathes.
- jjulius 4y ago
  >where are you from where people get executed for crimes without a trial, why would anyone need to explicitly state that? In the context of OP repeatedly calling for their dismemberment, I said, "Hold up, let's find out more before we tear his arms off," and then you went on a diatribe about defending the country and suggesting I am unwilling to do so. I'm unsure how to read that other than tacit support for OP's sentiment; it genuinely sounds like you're disagreeing with me. Once again we find ourselves at the point I made in response to your other comment in this chain about how delivery matters.