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The argument could be made that it worked pretty well for over 20 years. Russia played fairly nice with the west pretty much up until they invaded Crimea. It'd

The argument could be made that it worked pretty well for over 20 years. Russia played fairly nice with the west pretty much up until they invaded Crimea. It'd obviously be a mistake to say that economic interconnectivity totally prevents war, but the fact that wars break out doesn't falsify the notion that it might make conflict less common on average. The west's relationship with Russia and China has certainly been less rocky over the past 30 years than its relationship with the Soviet Union ever was.

jonny_eh 4y ago
> The argument could be made that it worked pretty well for over 20 years Uhm, this isn't the first time Russia invaded Ukraine in the past decade. Remember when they invaded and took Crimea? Also, they've been fucking with elections in other countries, like with Brexit and Trump. There was also the Wirecard scandal that they've been associated with. They've done massive amounts of damage internationally.
- DoughnutHole 4y ago
  > Remember when they invaded and took Crimea? Yes, I mentioned it. That was in 2014 - 22 years after the fall of the Soviet Union. Russia's antics have been damaging but child's play compared to the cold war. The US and the Soviet Union were engaged in proxy wars, insurgencies, coups and counter coups across the globe pretty much non-stop for nearly 50 years, all the while pointing two order-of-magnitude larger nuclear arsenals at each other. Economic interdependence obviously didn't stop Russia from eventually going off the deep end. But it probably helped keep relations cool for quite a while.
- whimsicalism 4y ago
  > Also, they've been fucking with elections in other countries Sure, but this is much more low level than a war. The US also messes with other countries elections & politics, including Euromaidan in Ukraine.
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
tablespoon 4y ago
> The argument could be made that it worked pretty well for over 20 years. Russia played fairly nice with the west pretty much up until they invaded Crimea. 20 years is actually not a long time for an idea like we're talking about. This isn't human-scale stuff.

jonny_eh 4y ago

> The argument could be made that it worked pretty well for over 20 years Uhm, this isn't the first time Russia invaded Ukraine in the past decade. Remember when they invaded and took Crimea? Also, they've been fucking with elections in other countries, like with Brexit and Trump. There was also the Wirecard scandal that they've been associated with. They've done massive amounts of damage internationally.

DoughnutHole 4y ago
> Remember when they invaded and took Crimea? Yes, I mentioned it. That was in 2014 - 22 years after the fall of the Soviet Union. Russia's antics have been damaging but child's play compared to the cold war. The US and the Soviet Union were engaged in proxy wars, insurgencies, coups and counter coups across the globe pretty much non-stop for nearly 50 years, all the while pointing two order-of-magnitude larger nuclear arsenals at each other. Economic interdependence obviously didn't stop Russia from eventually going off the deep end. But it probably helped keep relations cool for quite a while.
whimsicalism 4y ago
> Also, they've been fucking with elections in other countries Sure, but this is much more low level than a war. The US also messes with other countries elections & politics, including Euromaidan in Ukraine.
throwawaylinux 4y ago

tablespoon 4y ago

> The argument could be made that it worked pretty well for over 20 years. Russia played fairly nice with the west pretty much up until they invaded Crimea. 20 years is actually not a long time for an idea like we're talking about. This isn't human-scale stuff.