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I actually think it's the opposite, AI will probably be writing the stories and humans might occasionally film a few scenes. ~95% of TV shows and movies are coo

I actually think it's the opposite, AI will probably be writing the stories and humans might occasionally film a few scenes. ~95% of TV shows and movies are cookie-cutter content, with cookie-cutter acting and production values, with the same hooks and the same tropes regurgitated over and over again. Heck they can't even figure out how to make new IP so they keep making reruns of the same old stuff like Star Wars, Marvel, etc, and people eat it right up. There's nothing better at figuring out how to maximize profit and hook people to watch another episode than a good algorithm.

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kranke155 4y ago
The first thing to go away will be short content. Instagram and YouTube ads will be AÍ generated. The thing is - that’s the bread and butter of the industry
trention 4y ago
Why would I want to watch AI-generated content?
- CuriouslyC 4y ago
  Procedurally generated games can be quite fun, if AI content gets good enough, why wouldn't you want to watch it?
  - trention 4y ago
    Because anything that an AI can produce, no matter how "intrinsically" good, becomes trivial, tedious and with zero value (both economic and general).
    - cercatrova 4y ago
      That's a weird sentiment. If you can concede that it could be "intrinsically" good, then why do you care where it came from? It reminds me of part of the book trilogy Three Body Problem, where these aliens create human culture better than humans (in the humans' own perspective, in the book) by decoding and analyzing our radio waves to then make content. It feels to me much the same here where an unknown entity creates media, and we might like it regardless of who actually made it.
    - gbear605 4y ago
      Imagine you’re watching a show, it’s really funny and you’re enjoying it. You’re streaming it, but you’d probably have paid a few dollars to rent it back in the Blockbuster days. You’re then told that the show was produced by an AI. Do you suddenly lose interest because you don’t want to watch something produced by an AI? Or is your hypothesis that an AI could never produce a show that you liked to that degree? If you mean the former, then I frankly think you’re an outlier and lots of people would have no problem with that. If you mean the latter, then I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. We’re certainly not there yet, but that doesn’t mean that it’s impossible. I’ve definitely read stories that were produced by an AI and preferred it to a lot of fiction that was written by humans!
      - trention 4y ago
        You may want to familiarize yourself with this thought experiment and think how a slightly modified version applies to AIs and their output: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_machine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_machine As to whether I am an outlier: Hundreds of thousands of people worldwide watch Magnus Carlsen. How many have watched AlphaZero play chess when it came about and how many watch it when it ceased to be a novelty?
        CuriouslyC 4y ago
        Totally different. Watching a display of skill, where you marvel at how much better the demonstrator is than yourself obviously has no value if the demonstrator is a machine, but then it is plainly visible that the activity has little intrinsic entertainment value and entertainment value comes from the story and personal arc of the performer. This is different from a movie where nobody really cares about the personal arc of the actor, and people are completely happy to watch an animated film where there isn't even a real actor on display.
        trention 4y ago
        >where nobody really cares about the personal arc of the actor Speak for yourself. Actors do have fans, and a lot of them. Their personal lives are subjects of interest for a reason. So, no, not totally different at all.
- throwaway743 4y ago
  It'll eventually get to the point where it's high quality and the media you consume will be generated just for you based on your individual preferences, rather than a curated list of already made options made for widespread audiences.
  - trention 4y ago
    A big part of entertainment's appeal is having an experience/frame of reference to share with other people. Personalized entertainment doesn't offer that. I am also extremely skeptical of the ability/need so serve at individual level instead of niches (as today).
    - throwaway743 4y ago
      Time will tell.
armchairhacker 4y ago
The last-mile problem applies here too. GPT-3 text is convincing at a distance but when you look closely there is no coherence, no real understanding of plot or emotional dynamics or really anything. TV shows and movies are filled with plot holes and bad writing but it's not that bad. Also I think "a good algorithm" is more than just repetitive content. The plots are reused and generic, but there's real skill involved into figuring out the next series to reuse with a generic plot which is still guaranteed not to flop because nobody actually wants to see reruns of that series or they accidentally screwed up a major plot point.
- seydor 4y ago
  yes someone will need to hand-pick the best versions of each episode . over time a large enough dataset will have been generated that a model can be trained to the task of curation
- gpderetta 4y ago
  Editors might still have a job :). Kidding aside, these technologies are amazing, but for a while still they will need a human in the loop selecting, tweaking and editing the output and feeding it back to the contraption for the next iteration. The question is, for how long?
CuriouslyC 4y ago
AI might take an outline and write dialogue/descriptions/etc, but it's not going to be generating the story or creating the characters. They might use AI to tune what people come up with (ala "market research") but there will still be a human that can be blamed or celebrated at the creative helm.

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kranke155 4y ago

The first thing to go away will be short content. Instagram and YouTube ads will be AÍ generated. The thing is - that’s the bread and butter of the industry

trention 4y ago

Why would I want to watch AI-generated content?

CuriouslyC 4y ago
Procedurally generated games can be quite fun, if AI content gets good enough, why wouldn't you want to watch it?
- trention 4y ago
  Because anything that an AI can produce, no matter how "intrinsically" good, becomes trivial, tedious and with zero value (both economic and general).
  - cercatrova 4y ago
    That's a weird sentiment. If you can concede that it could be "intrinsically" good, then why do you care where it came from? It reminds me of part of the book trilogy Three Body Problem, where these aliens create human culture better than humans (in the humans' own perspective, in the book) by decoding and analyzing our radio waves to then make content. It feels to me much the same here where an unknown entity creates media, and we might like it regardless of who actually made it.
  - gbear605 4y ago
    Imagine you’re watching a show, it’s really funny and you’re enjoying it. You’re streaming it, but you’d probably have paid a few dollars to rent it back in the Blockbuster days. You’re then told that the show was produced by an AI. Do you suddenly lose interest because you don’t want to watch something produced by an AI? Or is your hypothesis that an AI could never produce a show that you liked to that degree? If you mean the former, then I frankly think you’re an outlier and lots of people would have no problem with that. If you mean the latter, then I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. We’re certainly not there yet, but that doesn’t mean that it’s impossible. I’ve definitely read stories that were produced by an AI and preferred it to a lot of fiction that was written by humans!
    - trention 4y ago
      You may want to familiarize yourself with this thought experiment and think how a slightly modified version applies to AIs and their output: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_machine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_machine As to whether I am an outlier: Hundreds of thousands of people worldwide watch Magnus Carlsen. How many have watched AlphaZero play chess when it came about and how many watch it when it ceased to be a novelty?
      - CuriouslyC 4y ago
        Totally different. Watching a display of skill, where you marvel at how much better the demonstrator is than yourself obviously has no value if the demonstrator is a machine, but then it is plainly visible that the activity has little intrinsic entertainment value and entertainment value comes from the story and personal arc of the performer. This is different from a movie where nobody really cares about the personal arc of the actor, and people are completely happy to watch an animated film where there isn't even a real actor on display.
        trention 4y ago
        >where nobody really cares about the personal arc of the actor Speak for yourself. Actors do have fans, and a lot of them. Their personal lives are subjects of interest for a reason. So, no, not totally different at all.
throwaway743 4y ago
It'll eventually get to the point where it's high quality and the media you consume will be generated just for you based on your individual preferences, rather than a curated list of already made options made for widespread audiences.
- trention 4y ago
  A big part of entertainment's appeal is having an experience/frame of reference to share with other people. Personalized entertainment doesn't offer that. I am also extremely skeptical of the ability/need so serve at individual level instead of niches (as today).
  - throwaway743 4y ago
    Time will tell.

armchairhacker 4y ago

The last-mile problem applies here too. GPT-3 text is convincing at a distance but when you look closely there is no coherence, no real understanding of plot or emotional dynamics or really anything. TV shows and movies are filled with plot holes and bad writing but it's not that bad. Also I think "a good algorithm" is more than just repetitive content. The plots are reused and generic, but there's real skill involved into figuring out the next series to reuse with a generic plot which is still guaranteed not to flop because nobody actually wants to see reruns of that series or they accidentally screwed up a major plot point.

seydor 4y ago
yes someone will need to hand-pick the best versions of each episode . over time a large enough dataset will have been generated that a model can be trained to the task of curation
gpderetta 4y ago
Editors might still have a job :). Kidding aside, these technologies are amazing, but for a while still they will need a human in the loop selecting, tweaking and editing the output and feeding it back to the contraption for the next iteration. The question is, for how long?

CuriouslyC 4y ago

AI might take an outline and write dialogue/descriptions/etc, but it's not going to be generating the story or creating the characters. They might use AI to tune what people come up with (ala "market research") but there will still be a human that can be blamed or celebrated at the creative helm.