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Energy comes out of the ground. Exploiting something that's already there with very little value add. You can't buy energy from just anyone. Building airpods i

by beachy 4y ago

Energy comes out of the ground. Exploiting something that's already there with very little value add. You can't buy energy from just anyone. Building airpods is an industrial process. All value add. You can do it anywhere, one factories are set up, workers trained etc.

rkagerer 4y ago
...anywhere that has the required local supply logistics, low labour cost, etc. If it could truly be done anywhere it would still be happening in the US.
- ziddoap 4y ago
  I think the point being made is that if Apple/whoever was willing to pay for it, you can setup the supply chain and get the workers wherever you want. It might cost more, sure, but it can be done. However, you can't just extract energy from somewhere that doesn't have it. No matter how much money you want to sink into it. If there's no oil/NG/whatever, that's that. Trillions of dollars wont make it appear there. Trillions of dollars does let you setup a nice supply chain and labor force in the US though.
lossolo 4y ago
It took less than a year to secure most of the needed gas in EU from other places, OP says it takes 8 years to switch only 10% of apple production.
Maursault 4y ago
> Energy comes out of the ground. Nearly all of the energy available on Earth comes from our sun, including all fossil fuels, shallow geothermal, biomass, hydro, tidal, wave, wind and solar energies. The remainder came from other suns, such as nuclear and deep geothermal.
- ziddoap 4y ago
  Cool thing to think about, sure, but I can't put an empty barrel outside and have the sun fill it up with oil. If you know how to do this, please let me know. Deep/shallow geothermal (and hydro, tidal, wave, wind, solar) have those pesky borders and politics to deal with when looking to harness them. One country can't arbitrarily go to some other country and harness their geothermal, erect solar panels or wind turbines, etc. The parent posters were, extremely obviously, not having a discussion on where various energy sources originated from in a science sense, but the politics surrounding the trade of those resources.
  - Maursault 4y ago
    > but I can't put an empty barrel outside and have the sun fill it up with oil. Sure you could. Just place it next to the output of a solar press and extract oil from sunflower seeds or others, let it pour into the barrel until full, replace with an empty barrel, and repeat. When you have enough oil stocked, you can use it to manipulate the market, make a fortune, start a war, takeover the world, eliminate borders, whatever you like, the sky's the limit with an empty barrel and a little sun.

by beachy 4y ago

rkagerer 4y ago

...anywhere that has the required local supply logistics, low labour cost, etc. If it could truly be done anywhere it would still be happening in the US.

ziddoap 4y ago
I think the point being made is that if Apple/whoever was willing to pay for it, you can setup the supply chain and get the workers wherever you want. It might cost more, sure, but it can be done. However, you can't just extract energy from somewhere that doesn't have it. No matter how much money you want to sink into it. If there's no oil/NG/whatever, that's that. Trillions of dollars wont make it appear there. Trillions of dollars does let you setup a nice supply chain and labor force in the US though.

lossolo 4y ago

It took less than a year to secure most of the needed gas in EU from other places, OP says it takes 8 years to switch only 10% of apple production.

Maursault 4y ago

> Energy comes out of the ground. Nearly all of the energy available on Earth comes from our sun, including all fossil fuels, shallow geothermal, biomass, hydro, tidal, wave, wind and solar energies. The remainder came from other suns, such as nuclear and deep geothermal.

ziddoap 4y ago
Cool thing to think about, sure, but I can't put an empty barrel outside and have the sun fill it up with oil. If you know how to do this, please let me know. Deep/shallow geothermal (and hydro, tidal, wave, wind, solar) have those pesky borders and politics to deal with when looking to harness them. One country can't arbitrarily go to some other country and harness their geothermal, erect solar panels or wind turbines, etc. The parent posters were, extremely obviously, not having a discussion on where various energy sources originated from in a science sense, but the politics surrounding the trade of those resources.
- Maursault 4y ago
  > but I can't put an empty barrel outside and have the sun fill it up with oil. Sure you could. Just place it next to the output of a solar press and extract oil from sunflower seeds or others, let it pour into the barrel until full, replace with an empty barrel, and repeat. When you have enough oil stocked, you can use it to manipulate the market, make a fortune, start a war, takeover the world, eliminate borders, whatever you like, the sky's the limit with an empty barrel and a little sun.