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I mean. I was definitely unfamiliar with their "Code of Ethics" [0] until I read it and I cannot say that I'm a tremendous fan. But also, it's the absolute la

I mean. I was definitely unfamiliar with their "Code of Ethics" [0] until I read it and I cannot say that I'm a tremendous fan. But also, it's the absolute last thing mentioned in the readme, so unless you have additional information that I don't, I don't know why you think that's the main reason they forked, especially when they tell you all the reasons they forked and that isn't really one of them. [0] https://sqlite.org/codeofethics.html https://sqlite.org/codeofethics.html

chasil 4y ago
It was described yesterday as content extracted from St. Benedict's Rules for Monasteries (which is a much larger book). I read it years ago, but cannot confirm.
pexabit 4y ago
He goes out of his way to mention something peculiar despite its non-relevance to the technical features of the project, and does so again on a Medium post introducing the fork. In fact the only interesting said at all is about the code. (As to DRH's Code of Ethics... well, the product speaks for itself.)
- threatofrain 4y ago
  The sum of all things speaks for itself. We have an excellent product and a written statement about how all current developers are bound by a religious covenant. And no contributors accepted. If you want to create a fork and welcome lots of contributors, then I don't see how the CoC as written would stand. Of course this has to change. > That is a lot of effort to complain about SQlite's Code of Conduct. Anyways, given that the super-majority of the blog post was about features and the different directions that sqlite is being pulled in, and the only singular mention of the CoC was a paragraph at the very end of the blog, I don't really see the summarization of the blog post as just about the CoC as honest.
treis 4y ago
This is one of those things that's not really a huge in of itself in that it doesn't have much practical implications. But it's such a wildly inappropriate and unprofessional thing to do that it raises questions in my mind about using SqlLite. Which is a pretty impressive thing to do given how good the software is and how widely it's used.
- haunter 4y ago
  Why is it inappropriate? A lot of OSS projects make political statements all the time, I see no difference at all
  - treis 4y ago
    I dispute that they do but regardless a political statement is not the same thing as a profession of religious tenets.
    - freedomben 4y ago
      It's certainly unusual, but all it's saying is that the founder and current dev team hold those religious tenets. It's (explicitly even) not forcing it on others.
      - treis 4y ago
        Wearing a polka dot bowtie is unusual. This crosses the line into being inappropriate for a workplace. It should be obvious why, but if not consider a future where the SQLite team needs to replace a member. What's the plan if the best candidate is an Orthodox Jew? Are they going to update the CoE to read: >The founder of SQLite and all current developers, except for Ruth Cohen, have pledged... Even if they're the nicest and most welcoming Christians in the world and will make a better change without hesitation it's still presents a disincentive for non-Christians. There's simply no place for that in any professional setting.
        throwawaywu 4y ago

chasil 4y ago

It was described yesterday as content extracted from St. Benedict's Rules for Monasteries (which is a much larger book). I read it years ago, but cannot confirm.

pexabit 4y ago

He goes out of his way to mention something peculiar despite its non-relevance to the technical features of the project, and does so again on a Medium post introducing the fork. In fact the only interesting said at all is about the code. (As to DRH's Code of Ethics... well, the product speaks for itself.)

threatofrain 4y ago
The sum of all things speaks for itself. We have an excellent product and a written statement about how all current developers are bound by a religious covenant. And no contributors accepted. If you want to create a fork and welcome lots of contributors, then I don't see how the CoC as written would stand. Of course this has to change. > That is a lot of effort to complain about SQlite's Code of Conduct. Anyways, given that the super-majority of the blog post was about features and the different directions that sqlite is being pulled in, and the only singular mention of the CoC was a paragraph at the very end of the blog, I don't really see the summarization of the blog post as just about the CoC as honest.

treis 4y ago

This is one of those things that's not really a huge in of itself in that it doesn't have much practical implications. But it's such a wildly inappropriate and unprofessional thing to do that it raises questions in my mind about using SqlLite. Which is a pretty impressive thing to do given how good the software is and how widely it's used.

haunter 4y ago
Why is it inappropriate? A lot of OSS projects make political statements all the time, I see no difference at all
- treis 4y ago
  I dispute that they do but regardless a political statement is not the same thing as a profession of religious tenets.
  - freedomben 4y ago
    It's certainly unusual, but all it's saying is that the founder and current dev team hold those religious tenets. It's (explicitly even) not forcing it on others.
    - treis 4y ago
      Wearing a polka dot bowtie is unusual. This crosses the line into being inappropriate for a workplace. It should be obvious why, but if not consider a future where the SQLite team needs to replace a member. What's the plan if the best candidate is an Orthodox Jew? Are they going to update the CoE to read: >The founder of SQLite and all current developers, except for Ruth Cohen, have pledged... Even if they're the nicest and most welcoming Christians in the world and will make a better change without hesitation it's still presents a disincentive for non-Christians. There's simply no place for that in any professional setting.
      - throwawaywu 4y ago