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This is new. You mean the current right wing ruling party? It has a very large vocal, visible and genuine support from large population of India. That is democ

by achow 4y ago

This is new. You mean the current right wing ruling party? It has a very large vocal, visible and genuine support from large population of India. That is democracy by any definition. This support is for progressive policies and anti-corruption principles. Not all section of population agree on progress at the cost of right wing philosophies, but that again is in line with the rules of democracy.

kranke155 4y ago
I’ve heard mixed things from Indians. I suppose the question might *not* be how much it remains a democracy - you are correct that the ruling party appears to have wide popular support - but how limited some freedoms might be for non Hindus.
- programmer_dude 4y ago
  Please name some of these limitations.
- ignoramous 4y ago
  > you are correct that the ruling party appears to have wide popular support And where they don't have that support, they "buy" elected reps: https://www.google.com/search?q=bjp+buy+mp+mla https://www.google.com/search?q=bjp+buy+mp+mla
- KrishnaShripad 4y ago
  > but how limited some freedoms might be for non Hindus. Where exactly is freedoms limited for non Hindus? Can you name some of these freedoms that have been limited?
smoldesu 4y ago
Democracy and authoritarianism are not mutually exclusive. I think most people's gripes aren't with their political leanings, but the way they chose to respond to things like the Farmer Protest (where Modi's administration basically admitted they were wrong). Stifling communication and censoring the internet isn't what any just democratic ruler does, regardless of their party affiliation.
- kumarvvr 4y ago
  Stifling communication and censoring the internet happens in Kashmir, where 6 decades of cross border terrorism by Pakistan have made security situations a hell to maintain. The USA tacitly supports Pakistan and looks the other way when its funds are used for terrorism. When you have a large part of population as riot hungry foreign funded troublemakers, to maintain peace, cutting off the internet in times of escalating situations is necessary evil.
- KrishnaShripad 4y ago
  > where Modi's administration basically admitted they were wrong It is not at all an admission of wrong but a forced retraction due to circumstances. The Farm laws were actually extremely progressive of all laws passed by the Government. The issue was more to do with raising the spectre of the dead Khalistani movement and Terrorism spillover that India had to deal with in the 80s and 90s. India cannot afford a weak border with Pakistan at this juncture and with Punjab (border state) being the epicenter of protests did not make things any better. Repealing the Farm laws took India's agriculture backward by at least 2 decades [1] and [2] as the protests were orchestrated by wealthy farmers of Punjab, Haryana and to some extent UP. They are not representative of farmers across India, who are so poor that they could never have had the ability to organize large scale counter-protests. The consequence of repealing the farm laws have hurt the poor farmers whose grievances have gone completely unheard. > Stifling communication and censoring the internet isn't what any just democratic ruler does, regardless of their party affiliation. Isn't this exactly what Trudeau did when Farmers protested in Canada? By freezing their bank accounts and censoring channels that supported the protests? I have seen this exact thing done in multiple first-world "Democratic" countries with no one calling them out. Feels like "Democracy for thee — but not for me". [1]: https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/repeal-of-farm-laws-will-hurt-farmers/article37757145.ece https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/repeal-of-farm-... [2]: https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/opinion/five-implications-of-repealing-farm-laws-7747441.html https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/opinion/five-implications-...
ignoramous 4y ago
> You mean the current right wing ruling party? It has a very large vocal, visible and genuine support from large population of India... This support is for progressive policies and anti-corruption principles. It is vile, divisive, and hate-filled politics that the masses have turned to. Cognitive dissonance can be quite a thing.
naruvimama 4y ago
India sent out vaccines to 70 countries even as she herself was suffering in the crisis. Millions of does were given out for free to the most vulnerable and poorest countries. We were all witness to what was happening in the "wealthy liberal world" ..... You can label it what you want, but the world is much better off with India.

by achow 4y ago

kranke155 4y ago

I’ve heard mixed things from Indians. I suppose the question might *not* be how much it remains a democracy - you are correct that the ruling party appears to have wide popular support - but how limited some freedoms might be for non Hindus.

programmer_dude 4y ago
Please name some of these limitations.
ignoramous 4y ago
> you are correct that the ruling party appears to have wide popular support And where they don't have that support, they "buy" elected reps: https://www.google.com/search?q=bjp+buy+mp+mla https://www.google.com/search?q=bjp+buy+mp+mla
KrishnaShripad 4y ago
> but how limited some freedoms might be for non Hindus. Where exactly is freedoms limited for non Hindus? Can you name some of these freedoms that have been limited?

smoldesu 4y ago

Democracy and authoritarianism are not mutually exclusive. I think most people's gripes aren't with their political leanings, but the way they chose to respond to things like the Farmer Protest (where Modi's administration basically admitted they were wrong). Stifling communication and censoring the internet isn't what any just democratic ruler does, regardless of their party affiliation.

kumarvvr 4y ago
Stifling communication and censoring the internet happens in Kashmir, where 6 decades of cross border terrorism by Pakistan have made security situations a hell to maintain. The USA tacitly supports Pakistan and looks the other way when its funds are used for terrorism. When you have a large part of population as riot hungry foreign funded troublemakers, to maintain peace, cutting off the internet in times of escalating situations is necessary evil.
KrishnaShripad 4y ago
> where Modi's administration basically admitted they were wrong It is not at all an admission of wrong but a forced retraction due to circumstances. The Farm laws were actually extremely progressive of all laws passed by the Government. The issue was more to do with raising the spectre of the dead Khalistani movement and Terrorism spillover that India had to deal with in the 80s and 90s. India cannot afford a weak border with Pakistan at this juncture and with Punjab (border state) being the epicenter of protests did not make things any better. Repealing the Farm laws took India's agriculture backward by at least 2 decades [1] and [2] as the protests were orchestrated by wealthy farmers of Punjab, Haryana and to some extent UP. They are not representative of farmers across India, who are so poor that they could never have had the ability to organize large scale counter-protests. The consequence of repealing the farm laws have hurt the poor farmers whose grievances have gone completely unheard. > Stifling communication and censoring the internet isn't what any just democratic ruler does, regardless of their party affiliation. Isn't this exactly what Trudeau did when Farmers protested in Canada? By freezing their bank accounts and censoring channels that supported the protests? I have seen this exact thing done in multiple first-world "Democratic" countries with no one calling them out. Feels like "Democracy for thee — but not for me". [1]: https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/repeal-of-farm-laws-will-hurt-farmers/article37757145.ece https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/repeal-of-farm-... [2]: https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/opinion/five-implications-of-repealing-farm-laws-7747441.html https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/opinion/five-implications-...

ignoramous 4y ago

> You mean the current right wing ruling party? It has a very large vocal, visible and genuine support from large population of India... This support is for progressive policies and anti-corruption principles. It is vile, divisive, and hate-filled politics that the masses have turned to. Cognitive dissonance can be quite a thing.

naruvimama 4y ago

India sent out vaccines to 70 countries even as she herself was suffering in the crisis. Millions of does were given out for free to the most vulnerable and poorest countries. We were all witness to what was happening in the "wealthy liberal world" ..... You can label it what you want, but the world is much better off with India.