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Literally every country in Southeast Asia had far, far fewer deaths because they were able to contain the spread far better than the US. Just spend 2 minutes lo

Literally every country in Southeast Asia had far, far fewer deaths because they were able to contain the spread far better than the US. Just spend 2 minutes looking at the statistics. Australia had 15,000 total deaths compared to the US's 1 million. > Even China which has dealt with new viral outbreaks before (I'm ignoring any insinuation of their foreknowledge of covid), is STILL struggling. Struggling is a relative term. China has reported 5k deaths from COVID. Even if you don't believe numbers from the CCP, even 10x that (50k deaths) is far, far better than the US. Right now, China is "struggling" because they're still clinging to zero-covid policies. They'll lock an entire neighborhood down over a few cases. As you probably know, these things grow exponentially, so containing the spread at the very start is really, really crucial. We were completely blind during the start of the pandemic due almost entirely to failures by the CDC.

robomartin 4y ago
> able to contain the spread far better than the US In my opinion a good deal of this was due to the fact that this entire event turned political from the very start. I am not being dramatic when I say that politicians, due to party and ideological loyalty, quite literally, killed people. It's hard to estimate how many. The number certainly has to be between tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands. > We were completely blind during the start of the pandemic due almost entirely to failures by the CDC. No, we were not. The instant Trump closed the door to travel from China I knew we were in for an event that was several standard deviations away from the norm. Ideology aside, a POTUS does not make a move like that in isolation. The data had to be absolutely overwhelming. As an informed observer I was paying attention. The instant I thought "this is several standard deviations from the norm" I took action. I ordered a supply of food and other necessary items (and yes, masks) to last several months. I covered my immediate and extended family (because nobody listens and everyone who gets their information from mainstream media is living in a fantasy made-up of lies). If I remember correctly, that was mid January 2020. All of my supplies arrived and were put away before the panic started. We barely had to go to the market for a year. Regarding politicians killing people. A lot of those videos have been deleted from YouTube and other places. They can be hard to find. Here's a few that are still up. All after Trump's travel ban (again a "tilt" event in terms of SD from the mean). "There is no reason not to take the subway,..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbPPGrZH3VY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbPPGrZH3VY "About 60% of new cases coming out of the NY metropolitan area" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdKLx5MhTpk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdKLx5MhTpk "Everything is fine" "Precautions have been taken" "Fear is racially motivated" "Coronavirus is under control in the US" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmllqkU6j2k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmllqkU6j2k This is a big one: Just like the normal flu We should relax We don't think it's going to be as bad as it is in other places We have been ahead of this from day one Go about your lives Go about your business There has to be prolonged exposure Just wash your hands No need to do anything special We want New Yorkers to go about their daily lives Ride the subway, ride the bus, go see your neighbors We have the equipment It's not like we are dealing with something we haven't dealt with before We have the ability to address this We have the capacity to keep this contained Like the normal flu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEhLOp7UGNM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEhLOp7UGNM The local risk is low Our preparedness is high Go about your lives No indication to be using masks We have measures We have screening No indication that going through the subway is a risk factor No indications to be using masks False sense of security The risk is low https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMkBW9ewPz8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMkBW9ewPz8 These are just some of the links I kept as I chronicled this historical event. A lot of the links I recorded have been deleted. If you do watch these, pay attention to the dates. Keep in mind that Trump and his team sounded the alarm in early January and the Chinese travel ban went into effect at the end of January. These people, in very real terms, caused hundreds of thousands of people to become infected. When panic ensued, masses of people left the NY area, carrying the virus everywhere in the country. Yes, these politicians likely killed hundreds of thousands of people. I think that much is without dispute. Nobody talks about it, of course. Because ideology and party are more important than lives. As a classical liberal/libertarian I find this kind of thing to be in a range between revolting and criminal.
John23832 4y ago
Statistics flatten reality. Masking is much more appropriate (and followed) in Asia. Australia had less movement. The reality is that precautions were not followed in the US for the sake of "liberty" and that had consequences I really don't see how we could be less "blind". What were we supposed to see? You haven't outlined anything that these other countries "saw" that we didn't.

robomartin 4y ago

> able to contain the spread far better than the US In my opinion a good deal of this was due to the fact that this entire event turned political from the very start. I am not being dramatic when I say that politicians, due to party and ideological loyalty, quite literally, killed people. It's hard to estimate how many. The number certainly has to be between tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands. > We were completely blind during the start of the pandemic due almost entirely to failures by the CDC. No, we were not. The instant Trump closed the door to travel from China I knew we were in for an event that was several standard deviations away from the norm. Ideology aside, a POTUS does not make a move like that in isolation. The data had to be absolutely overwhelming. As an informed observer I was paying attention. The instant I thought "this is several standard deviations from the norm" I took action. I ordered a supply of food and other necessary items (and yes, masks) to last several months. I covered my immediate and extended family (because nobody listens and everyone who gets their information from mainstream media is living in a fantasy made-up of lies). If I remember correctly, that was mid January 2020. All of my supplies arrived and were put away before the panic started. We barely had to go to the market for a year. Regarding politicians killing people. A lot of those videos have been deleted from YouTube and other places. They can be hard to find. Here's a few that are still up. All after Trump's travel ban (again a "tilt" event in terms of SD from the mean). "There is no reason not to take the subway,..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbPPGrZH3VY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbPPGrZH3VY "About 60% of new cases coming out of the NY metropolitan area" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdKLx5MhTpk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdKLx5MhTpk "Everything is fine" "Precautions have been taken" "Fear is racially motivated" "Coronavirus is under control in the US" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmllqkU6j2k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmllqkU6j2k This is a big one: Just like the normal flu We should relax We don't think it's going to be as bad as it is in other places We have been ahead of this from day one Go about your lives Go about your business There has to be prolonged exposure Just wash your hands No need to do anything special We want New Yorkers to go about their daily lives Ride the subway, ride the bus, go see your neighbors We have the equipment It's not like we are dealing with something we haven't dealt with before We have the ability to address this We have the capacity to keep this contained Like the normal flu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEhLOp7UGNM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEhLOp7UGNM The local risk is low Our preparedness is high Go about your lives No indication to be using masks We have measures We have screening No indication that going through the subway is a risk factor No indications to be using masks False sense of security The risk is low https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMkBW9ewPz8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMkBW9ewPz8 These are just some of the links I kept as I chronicled this historical event. A lot of the links I recorded have been deleted. If you do watch these, pay attention to the dates. Keep in mind that Trump and his team sounded the alarm in early January and the Chinese travel ban went into effect at the end of January. These people, in very real terms, caused hundreds of thousands of people to become infected. When panic ensued, masses of people left the NY area, carrying the virus everywhere in the country. Yes, these politicians likely killed hundreds of thousands of people. I think that much is without dispute. Nobody talks about it, of course. Because ideology and party are more important than lives. As a classical liberal/libertarian I find this kind of thing to be in a range between revolting and criminal.

John23832 4y ago

Statistics flatten reality. Masking is much more appropriate (and followed) in Asia. Australia had less movement. The reality is that precautions were not followed in the US for the sake of "liberty" and that had consequences I really don't see how we could be less "blind". What were we supposed to see? You haven't outlined anything that these other countries "saw" that we didn't.