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Controlled by Elon, controlled by (federal) actors who regulate a mainstream narrative, is there any difference? I really doubt that Elon will actually go throu

by syeare 4y ago

Controlled by Elon, controlled by (federal) actors who regulate a mainstream narrative, is there any difference? I really doubt that Elon will actually go through with unsuspending all those banned accounts or that anything at Twitter will actually change. If anything, I suppose there would be slightly less censorship but I'm sure that's just idealisation. He's undoubtedly going to be approached by the feds to continue enforcing the same shit that's been happening for nearly the past decade now.

Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
What brand of aluminum foil do you use for your hat? I like Kirkland because it's cheap and sold in large boxes, but I'm not sure it's as effective as traditional Reynolds.
- deleted 4y ago
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- mensetmanusman 4y ago
  Aluminum only blocks well in the high GHz, you need very thick blocks of metal to block the kHz brain reading devices.
  - pstuart 4y ago
    That's perfect for the 5G mind control towers!
- pengaru 4y ago
  Commercial-grade Reynolds rolls are both more economical and ~double the thickness.
- worried4future 4y ago
  If you seriously think that people in the federal government don't try to control the media narrative, you're ignoring a huge body of history where they have done exactly that. Most recently, look at the white house trying to pressure twitter to ban journalists: https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-white-house-privately-demanded https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-white-house-privatel...
  - pstuart 4y ago
    I wasn't familiar with the name, but this article is interesting: https://web.archive.org/web/20220901142826/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220901142826/https://www.theat... I can understand why the WH was concerned.
    - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
      > He has blamed the vaccines for causing spikes in severe illness, by pointing to data that actually demonstrate their safety and effectiveness. It always blows my mind when someone makes a claim and then cites a source and their source actually proves the exact opposite. They never acknowledge the self-own.
    - worried4future 4y ago
      I'm not trying to debate the rightness or wrongness of Alex Berenson, I'm simply pointing to this as an example of the federal government strong-arming corporations into censoring people. Alex Berenson might be someone you disagree with, but remember, tomorrow there might be someone in power you dislike and they may choose to use the power to silence people you do agree with. When you give someone a gun, especially someone powerful, especially the federal government, you can not predict who will be holding it in the future and where they will aim it.
      - pstuart 4y ago
        How much strong-arming is going on vs. active reverse lobbying. We see real censorship (backed with guns) in Russia today -- I don't think this is comparable to the current administration asking CEOs to not enable the spreading of verifiable misinformation. I find it interesting that other bans don't get the same concern from the usual suspects, e.g., abortion gag laws, library book bans, don't say gay laws, etc. Should the former president retake office I expect bans of political enemies and more -- the type of abuse that you rightfully fear. This is a nuanced subject and requires corresponding consideration. We all agree that some speech isn't good for society but remain at odds over what that speech is.
- biomcgary 4y ago
  Previous studies have only shown that tin foil works. After WWII and the rise of the current global system, they substituted aluminum for the tin to reduce efficacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_foil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_foil).
strathmeyer 4y ago
Censorship is when the government tells you what you can and can't publish on your platform.
- commandlinefan 4y ago
  No, government censorship is when the government tells you what you can and can't publish. "Private" censorship isn't prohibited by the first amendment (in the United States), but it's still censorship. Still, there's more and more evidence that the U.S. government has been behind the latest private organization censorship push.
  - pstuart 4y ago
    Should misinformation be amplified?
    - _-david-_ 4y ago
      The problem is who is going to determine what is misinformation and what percentage of accurate information will be classified as misinformation.
      - commandlinefan 4y ago
        > who is going to determine what is misinformation Furthermore... if your main concern about Musk taking over Twitter is that certain information (of any kind) is going to be shared, then you're concerned about the existence of the unregulated internet in general. Not only does the "they're a private company, they can censor whatever they want" not apply here, it's turned on its head.
        _-david-_ 4y ago
        I think you are reading into my comment more than you should. I don't really have concerns over Musk taking over. I think Musk is less likely to ban what some people call misinformation than the current Twitter leadership and I think, at least in the current climate, that it is better to allow misinformation then it is to ban it.

by syeare 4y ago

Sohcahtoa82 4y ago

What brand of aluminum foil do you use for your hat? I like Kirkland because it's cheap and sold in large boxes, but I'm not sure it's as effective as traditional Reynolds.

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mensetmanusman 4y ago
Aluminum only blocks well in the high GHz, you need very thick blocks of metal to block the kHz brain reading devices.
- pstuart 4y ago
  That's perfect for the 5G mind control towers!
pengaru 4y ago
Commercial-grade Reynolds rolls are both more economical and ~double the thickness.
worried4future 4y ago
If you seriously think that people in the federal government don't try to control the media narrative, you're ignoring a huge body of history where they have done exactly that. Most recently, look at the white house trying to pressure twitter to ban journalists: https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-white-house-privately-demanded https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-white-house-privatel...
- pstuart 4y ago
  I wasn't familiar with the name, but this article is interesting: https://web.archive.org/web/20220901142826/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220901142826/https://www.theat... I can understand why the WH was concerned.
  - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
    > He has blamed the vaccines for causing spikes in severe illness, by pointing to data that actually demonstrate their safety and effectiveness. It always blows my mind when someone makes a claim and then cites a source and their source actually proves the exact opposite. They never acknowledge the self-own.
  - worried4future 4y ago
    I'm not trying to debate the rightness or wrongness of Alex Berenson, I'm simply pointing to this as an example of the federal government strong-arming corporations into censoring people. Alex Berenson might be someone you disagree with, but remember, tomorrow there might be someone in power you dislike and they may choose to use the power to silence people you do agree with. When you give someone a gun, especially someone powerful, especially the federal government, you can not predict who will be holding it in the future and where they will aim it.
    - pstuart 4y ago
      How much strong-arming is going on vs. active reverse lobbying. We see real censorship (backed with guns) in Russia today -- I don't think this is comparable to the current administration asking CEOs to not enable the spreading of verifiable misinformation. I find it interesting that other bans don't get the same concern from the usual suspects, e.g., abortion gag laws, library book bans, don't say gay laws, etc. Should the former president retake office I expect bans of political enemies and more -- the type of abuse that you rightfully fear. This is a nuanced subject and requires corresponding consideration. We all agree that some speech isn't good for society but remain at odds over what that speech is.
biomcgary 4y ago
Previous studies have only shown that tin foil works. After WWII and the rise of the current global system, they substituted aluminum for the tin to reduce efficacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_foil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_foil).

strathmeyer 4y ago

Censorship is when the government tells you what you can and can't publish on your platform.

commandlinefan 4y ago
No, government censorship is when the government tells you what you can and can't publish. "Private" censorship isn't prohibited by the first amendment (in the United States), but it's still censorship. Still, there's more and more evidence that the U.S. government has been behind the latest private organization censorship push.
- pstuart 4y ago
  Should misinformation be amplified?
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    The problem is who is going to determine what is misinformation and what percentage of accurate information will be classified as misinformation.
    - commandlinefan 4y ago
      > who is going to determine what is misinformation Furthermore... if your main concern about Musk taking over Twitter is that certain information (of any kind) is going to be shared, then you're concerned about the existence of the unregulated internet in general. Not only does the "they're a private company, they can censor whatever they want" not apply here, it's turned on its head.
      - _-david-_ 4y ago
        I think you are reading into my comment more than you should. I don't really have concerns over Musk taking over. I think Musk is less likely to ban what some people call misinformation than the current Twitter leadership and I think, at least in the current climate, that it is better to allow misinformation then it is to ban it.