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I'm not sure you understand what Cloudflare is. They have various protections for websites including ones you do not like. They don't host attacks. They don't

by jimhi 4y ago

I'm not sure you understand what Cloudflare is. They have various protections for websites including ones you do not like. They don't host attacks. They don't even offer a hosting service for that code to run on really. Those attacks come from botnets, mostly hacked IOT devices and servers across the web.

briandoesdev 4y ago
> They don't even offer a hosting service for that code to run on really. I may be wrong here, but isn't this what Cloudflare Workers are?
- jimhi 4y ago
  That’s a service to run code in a very brief (not noticeable) time when you go to a link. It would be pretty bad at DDOS attacking.
nrook 4y ago
My position is that Cloudflare's hosting of websites and forums where attackers coordinate and organize (what you refer to as "websites [I] do not like") contributes to an Internet environment in which Cloudflare's own tools are more necessary. I am not saying that the attacks themselves are sent from servers controlled by Cloudflare.
- joshenders 4y ago
  If I understand your position correctly, you’re advocating for a world where Cloudflare is the arbtrar of ethics, morality, and legality on the Internet? I think I’d rather they just continue to provide service for sites I disagree with? Thanks.
  - fragmede 4y ago
    They can host all the political dubious sites they want, but when they sell a service that protects from what they’re hosting (booster services where they offer DDoS for sale sites), it starts to look an awful lot like a protection racket. That’s a nice website you’ve got there. It would be a shame if someone DDoS’d it. Hey btw, I sell DDoS protection services. Gee, isn’t that just so convenient!
    - jimhi 4y ago
      Run a website with decent traffic for a few years and watch the script kiddies come out asking for bitcoin in exchange for turning off their botnet. Not a racket when you see how common it was before Cloudflare.

by jimhi 4y ago

briandoesdev 4y ago

> They don't even offer a hosting service for that code to run on really. I may be wrong here, but isn't this what Cloudflare Workers are?

jimhi 4y ago
That’s a service to run code in a very brief (not noticeable) time when you go to a link. It would be pretty bad at DDOS attacking.

nrook 4y ago

My position is that Cloudflare's hosting of websites and forums where attackers coordinate and organize (what you refer to as "websites [I] do not like") contributes to an Internet environment in which Cloudflare's own tools are more necessary. I am not saying that the attacks themselves are sent from servers controlled by Cloudflare.

joshenders 4y ago
If I understand your position correctly, you’re advocating for a world where Cloudflare is the arbtrar of ethics, morality, and legality on the Internet? I think I’d rather they just continue to provide service for sites I disagree with? Thanks.
- fragmede 4y ago
  They can host all the political dubious sites they want, but when they sell a service that protects from what they’re hosting (booster services where they offer DDoS for sale sites), it starts to look an awful lot like a protection racket. That’s a nice website you’ve got there. It would be a shame if someone DDoS’d it. Hey btw, I sell DDoS protection services. Gee, isn’t that just so convenient!
  - jimhi 4y ago
    Run a website with decent traffic for a few years and watch the script kiddies come out asking for bitcoin in exchange for turning off their botnet. Not a racket when you see how common it was before Cloudflare.