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I wonder if something like this is what happened to my 2013 chromebook pixel. About a month after the warranty ran out, the audio quality from the left speake

I wonder if something like this is what happened to my 2013 chromebook pixel. About a month after the warranty ran out, the audio quality from the left speaker rapidly degraded to distorted crap over the course of a few days, then stopped forever. Shortly later the same thing happen to the right speaker, and that computer never made a sound again. Tbh I'm still pretty salty about it.

jchw 4y ago
Not an expert but that sounds like the voice coils overheated. In theory the drivers should prevent you from doing this, but in practice insufficient prevention measures in drivers/DSP combined with running too close to the sun seems to have made it possible to easily do this on some laptops, hence DELL voiding their warranty for people who turn the volume too high in VLC.[1] [1]: https://www.dell.com/community/Laptops-Wiki/How-Using-the-VLC-Player-Can-Affect-the-Laptop-Warranty/ta-p/5190302 https://www.dell.com/community/Laptops-Wiki/How-Using-the-VL...
- dTal 4y ago
  Anything you can do with VLC's volume control can be done in the audio file itself - it doesn't touch the hardware at all. This is just dodging responsibility for defective design.
  - jchw 4y ago
    It's true, though frankly most audio files are not distorted to shit, whereas it probably needs to be in order to actually do this. Still, I really think it's on them to protect their hardware. Ideally in hardware, but if they can't even do it in their own drivers it's pretty pathetic.
- xani_ 4y ago
  Sooo they put too weak drivers/too strong amplifier and are trying to blame users on it ?
  - blarghyblarg 4y ago
    Sounds like they were letting very low frequencies through to the speakers and/or accidentally producing DC. I only read the one thread on this, so I'm guessing a lot here, but it sounds like you could patch the <100hz frequency problem in hardware for like $0.50 with a high pass filter soldered in at the speaker? That thread is a little hard to read, so I don't know if there really is a dc problem. That's a little harder to fix in the speaker cavity.
    - LeifCarrotson 4y ago
      Yes, you could. A high-pass filter that is able to drive a laptop voice coil down to 100 Hz would probably cost about that much, which is 50x more than the motherboard manufacturer wants to spend. A high-pass filter in the DSP/driver software is free, sell a million Chromebooks and that's $500k of pure profit from cutting costs. Unless you account for warranty recalls due to buggy drivers, in which case a 0.1% failure rate is enough to make this a bad idea.
    - squarefoot 4y ago
      A high pass filter is essentially a RC filter in which the resistor part can be the speaker coil, so one only needs two capacitors, one per channel, which would cost a lot less than $0.50 in small quantities (example: Vishay ZSC00BM2211AARL, 220 uF - 10Vdc: €0.14100 in 10 quantity at tme.eu, a lot less in 100 or 500 qty). The problem however is either the amplifier ic which is too powerful, or the speaker itself being too weak to sustain its power. That would be bad design though; one should never assume the signal won't contain certain frequencies; it's good practice to pick a speaker that can sustain at least twice the maximum amplifier power indefinitely, and even more during peaks, regardless of what frequencies are reproduced.

jchw 4y ago

Not an expert but that sounds like the voice coils overheated. In theory the drivers should prevent you from doing this, but in practice insufficient prevention measures in drivers/DSP combined with running too close to the sun seems to have made it possible to easily do this on some laptops, hence DELL voiding their warranty for people who turn the volume too high in VLC.[1] [1]: https://www.dell.com/community/Laptops-Wiki/How-Using-the-VLC-Player-Can-Affect-the-Laptop-Warranty/ta-p/5190302 https://www.dell.com/community/Laptops-Wiki/How-Using-the-VL...

dTal 4y ago
Anything you can do with VLC's volume control can be done in the audio file itself - it doesn't touch the hardware at all. This is just dodging responsibility for defective design.
- jchw 4y ago
  It's true, though frankly most audio files are not distorted to shit, whereas it probably needs to be in order to actually do this. Still, I really think it's on them to protect their hardware. Ideally in hardware, but if they can't even do it in their own drivers it's pretty pathetic.
xani_ 4y ago
Sooo they put too weak drivers/too strong amplifier and are trying to blame users on it ?
- blarghyblarg 4y ago
  Sounds like they were letting very low frequencies through to the speakers and/or accidentally producing DC. I only read the one thread on this, so I'm guessing a lot here, but it sounds like you could patch the <100hz frequency problem in hardware for like $0.50 with a high pass filter soldered in at the speaker? That thread is a little hard to read, so I don't know if there really is a dc problem. That's a little harder to fix in the speaker cavity.
  - LeifCarrotson 4y ago
    Yes, you could. A high-pass filter that is able to drive a laptop voice coil down to 100 Hz would probably cost about that much, which is 50x more than the motherboard manufacturer wants to spend. A high-pass filter in the DSP/driver software is free, sell a million Chromebooks and that's $500k of pure profit from cutting costs. Unless you account for warranty recalls due to buggy drivers, in which case a 0.1% failure rate is enough to make this a bad idea.
  - squarefoot 4y ago
    A high pass filter is essentially a RC filter in which the resistor part can be the speaker coil, so one only needs two capacitors, one per channel, which would cost a lot less than $0.50 in small quantities (example: Vishay ZSC00BM2211AARL, 220 uF - 10Vdc: €0.14100 in 10 quantity at tme.eu, a lot less in 100 or 500 qty). The problem however is either the amplifier ic which is too powerful, or the speaker itself being too weak to sustain its power. That would be bad design though; one should never assume the signal won't contain certain frequencies; it's good practice to pick a speaker that can sustain at least twice the maximum amplifier power indefinitely, and even more during peaks, regardless of what frequencies are reproduced.