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> at the risk of sounding jingoistic clearly america has the most stable and transparent economy in the world There are many other first world countries in the

by dejb 18y ago

> at the risk of sounding jingoistic clearly america has the most stable and transparent economy in the world There are many other first world countries in the world other thna America. America is the largest and that does make it the most important. But that does not automatically make it the 'most stable and transparent economy'? The fact that you just automatically believe it to be so actually does demontrate your ignorance and jingoism.

DanielBMarkham 18y ago
Perhaps instead of labeling the poster, you could just ask for support for his statement? That usually works better than name-calling.
- dejb 18y ago
  The whole purpose of my post was about the attitude demonstrated by the poster. I was pointing out and arguing against the blind 'America is the Greatest' thinking that it demonstrated. The fact that the poster felt so sure about it without the need to provide any evidence was proof enough I believe. In this context I feel that using the very word (jingoist) that the poster said he was trying to avoid was certainly justified. Perhaps I could have avoided directly using the word 'ignorant'. Anyway it doesn't surprise me that some people might disagree with my post. But I believe the prevalence of this attitude is a truth and actually an important truth. Possibly a substantial cause of the financial problems the original article was about.
  - DanielBMarkham 18y ago
    The poster's attitude to me seemed to be "I'm not pro-my-country-no-matter-what-the-facts, but I believe it to be superior in this one respect." For which you went for the jugular and called him jingoistic. A better response would have been to engage in a discussion over whether or not his assumption was true. He was open to the discussion, and by not taking it you shut him down for no reason at all. As you noted, ignorant was a little over the top. My point is that both of you guys are wasting your time unless you're willing to talk to each other and not past each other. When somebody says "I'm not trying to be X" and then acts like X, I see that as an opportunity to 1) define X, and 2) talk about the facts. It's not the place to trash the commenter. They're reaching out, for cripes sake.

by dejb 18y ago

DanielBMarkham 18y ago

Perhaps instead of labeling the poster, you could just ask for support for his statement? That usually works better than name-calling.

dejb 18y ago
The whole purpose of my post was about the attitude demonstrated by the poster. I was pointing out and arguing against the blind 'America is the Greatest' thinking that it demonstrated. The fact that the poster felt so sure about it without the need to provide any evidence was proof enough I believe. In this context I feel that using the very word (jingoist) that the poster said he was trying to avoid was certainly justified. Perhaps I could have avoided directly using the word 'ignorant'. Anyway it doesn't surprise me that some people might disagree with my post. But I believe the prevalence of this attitude is a truth and actually an important truth. Possibly a substantial cause of the financial problems the original article was about.
- DanielBMarkham 18y ago
  The poster's attitude to me seemed to be "I'm not pro-my-country-no-matter-what-the-facts, but I believe it to be superior in this one respect." For which you went for the jugular and called him jingoistic. A better response would have been to engage in a discussion over whether or not his assumption was true. He was open to the discussion, and by not taking it you shut him down for no reason at all. As you noted, ignorant was a little over the top. My point is that both of you guys are wasting your time unless you're willing to talk to each other and not past each other. When somebody says "I'm not trying to be X" and then acts like X, I see that as an opportunity to 1) define X, and 2) talk about the facts. It's not the place to trash the commenter. They're reaching out, for cripes sake.