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> let the machines negotiate I think you're on the money as to where that's headed. However, your understanding of technology seems to be entirely as weapons

> let the machines negotiate I think you're on the money as to where that's headed. However, your understanding of technology seems to be entirely as weapons to gain advantage over others. Is that a fair observation? Might technology have other uses?

qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
Thats what nature is. State copying itself until it runs out of matter and energy and starts to copy itself over other stateful creatures. Gras vs flower, flower vs tree, savannah vs forrest, animals for whichever ecosystem feeds them. Why should be a social apex predator be a inherent save role in human society? Nothing of value there, that cant be reproduced by machines.
- nonrandomstring 4y ago
  Sounds like Conway's "Game of Life". Outside that imaginary petri dish, that two dimensional model of existence, and ignoring Rousseau, Kierkegaard, 3-5000 years of human religious thought, then your question makes sense; > Why should be a social apex predator be a inherent s(l)ave role in human society? If you truly believe what you say about "nature" it becomes; Why would a social apex predator, knowing the love of Jesus, the insights of Einstein, Penrose, Hofstadter, being a greater warrior-poet than Colonel Kurtz, then create and unleash another more potent agent than itself (ostensibly for amusement)? Three possibilities come to my mind. - Hubris - Self-loathing/suicide - Extraordinary stupidity (misjudgement of our own intelligence) Do you have a preference?
trention 4y ago
>I think you're on the money as to where that's headed. Why would the "machines" "negotiate" (presumably with other machines) using human tools like conversation and presentations? There are multiple algorithms and mediums at which this can be done more efficiently (and is being done more efficiently). We are at peak singularitarian delusion in these threads already. 'Humans do something, machines can (deus ex machina enters) do it better, machines will do it in the exact same way but instead of humans". Can't wait for the next AI winter, we desperately need it in light of these idiotic takes.

qikInNdOutReply 4y ago

Thats what nature is. State copying itself until it runs out of matter and energy and starts to copy itself over other stateful creatures. Gras vs flower, flower vs tree, savannah vs forrest, animals for whichever ecosystem feeds them. Why should be a social apex predator be a inherent save role in human society? Nothing of value there, that cant be reproduced by machines.

nonrandomstring 4y ago
Sounds like Conway's "Game of Life". Outside that imaginary petri dish, that two dimensional model of existence, and ignoring Rousseau, Kierkegaard, 3-5000 years of human religious thought, then your question makes sense; > Why should be a social apex predator be a inherent s(l)ave role in human society? If you truly believe what you say about "nature" it becomes; Why would a social apex predator, knowing the love of Jesus, the insights of Einstein, Penrose, Hofstadter, being a greater warrior-poet than Colonel Kurtz, then create and unleash another more potent agent than itself (ostensibly for amusement)? Three possibilities come to my mind. - Hubris - Self-loathing/suicide - Extraordinary stupidity (misjudgement of our own intelligence) Do you have a preference?

trention 4y ago

>I think you're on the money as to where that's headed. Why would the "machines" "negotiate" (presumably with other machines) using human tools like conversation and presentations? There are multiple algorithms and mediums at which this can be done more efficiently (and is being done more efficiently). We are at peak singularitarian delusion in these threads already. 'Humans do something, machines can (deus ex machina enters) do it better, machines will do it in the exact same way but instead of humans". Can't wait for the next AI winter, we desperately need it in light of these idiotic takes.