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Na, FreeBSD is not catching up/down to Linux..absolutely no interest..with one exception..drivers. But if you work with Illumos or *BSD's for a extended time,

by nix23 4y ago

Na, FreeBSD is not catching up/down to Linux..absolutely no interest..with one exception..drivers. But if you work with Illumos or *BSD's for a extended time, Linux feels dirty and bloated..just not right anymore, if you like linux good...i am happy for you but i try to avoid linux if i can (obviously not always the case...OracleDB, DB2, k8s and so on). >ZFS case though where they were the pioneers No that was OpenSolaris...and i am still sad about it. But Jails? I would say that was a real pioneering, whereas Solaris came a bit later with Zones and then a decade later Linux, you probably call that containers "a pure linux invention" today ;)

sangnoir 4y ago
> But Jails? I would say that was a real pioneering, whereas Solaris came a bit later with Zones and then a decade later Linux, you probably call that containers "a pure linux invention" today ;) Containers are a pure Linux invention: BSD jails/Solaris zones are a different creature to Linux namespaces and cgroups - the lack of isolation is what enables composibility of containers
- nix23 4y ago
  Containers are marketing slang for operating-system virtualization. >the lack of isolation is what enables composibility of containers Oh really? So containers are not isolated to each other...that's some news...bad ones ;) BTW are you from a marketing department? ....composibility....stop with that stinking shit please.
  - sangnoir 4y ago
    > Containers are marketing slang for operating-system virtualization. Containers are considerably more than virtualization[1], which is why jails/zones/kvm never took off, but Docker did. > Oh really? So containers are not isolated to each other...that's some news...bad ones Indeed, containers make for very poor security boundaries. But there are upsides to sharing the same kernel. > composibility....stop with that stinking shit please. Are you unfamiliar with "composition" as a software design/architecture term? One can create and bundle (Docker) containers that work together and have a shared network interface in a way that jails can't. As an example, a reverse proxy + service backend + db working in concert. 1. Disk storage format, standardized packaging descriptor, repository.
    - nix23 4y ago
      It's like you don't even understand what a container is, let alone comparing kvm with jails. Then giving a example that is a piece of cake for jails/zones...even in a concert. Please educate yourself about zones, brandedzones and lxzones (for the solaris/illumos) or jails (for the bsd side) it's really interesting i can tell you, and additionally you don't sound like marketing blabla after that.

by nix23 4y ago

sangnoir 4y ago

> But Jails? I would say that was a real pioneering, whereas Solaris came a bit later with Zones and then a decade later Linux, you probably call that containers "a pure linux invention" today ;) Containers are a pure Linux invention: BSD jails/Solaris zones are a different creature to Linux namespaces and cgroups - the lack of isolation is what enables composibility of containers

nix23 4y ago
Containers are marketing slang for operating-system virtualization. >the lack of isolation is what enables composibility of containers Oh really? So containers are not isolated to each other...that's some news...bad ones ;) BTW are you from a marketing department? ....composibility....stop with that stinking shit please.
- sangnoir 4y ago
  > Containers are marketing slang for operating-system virtualization. Containers are considerably more than virtualization[1], which is why jails/zones/kvm never took off, but Docker did. > Oh really? So containers are not isolated to each other...that's some news...bad ones Indeed, containers make for very poor security boundaries. But there are upsides to sharing the same kernel. > composibility....stop with that stinking shit please. Are you unfamiliar with "composition" as a software design/architecture term? One can create and bundle (Docker) containers that work together and have a shared network interface in a way that jails can't. As an example, a reverse proxy + service backend + db working in concert. 1. Disk storage format, standardized packaging descriptor, repository.
  - nix23 4y ago
    It's like you don't even understand what a container is, let alone comparing kvm with jails. Then giving a example that is a piece of cake for jails/zones...even in a concert. Please educate yourself about zones, brandedzones and lxzones (for the solaris/illumos) or jails (for the bsd side) it's really interesting i can tell you, and additionally you don't sound like marketing blabla after that.