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Thank both of you for proving my point that you all will irrationally argue "any even marginally imperfect security is completely and utterly pointless" in lite

Thank both of you for proving my point that you all will irrationally argue "any even marginally imperfect security is completely and utterly pointless" in literally any context. Worrying about criminals jamming wifi is the distraction, because criminals definitely carry around microwaves and portable kilowatt power sources, or implement novel DoS attacks, all just to temporarily disconnect cameras that if it's competent, cached all the video locally anyway. Why not worry about criminals cutting mains power? That'd kill most wired cameras even harder than battery-powered wireless ones.

6stringmerc 4y ago
The criminals we don’t hear about because they don’t get caught go to great lengths to achieve their goals. As one person said, they have two jobs - committing the crime, and not making a mistake that can get them caught. It only takes one small slip up in most cases documented. I think it’s a great mental exercise akin to escape rooms or Tetris.
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  >not making a mistake that can get them caught. Today in most areas (at least in the US) Normally that means just getting away without interacting with the cops at the moment sometimes not even that is required the defund police movement, bail reform, and many other political movements have more or less decriminalized property crime Unless you have a gun, are violent (sometimes not even then), or steal from a politically connected person chances are the police in the US will do nothing for normal everyday theft from a normal everyday person
  - aaaaaaaaaaab 4y ago
    At least you can shoot them in the US.
- Tangurena2 4y ago
  It takes more than "one small slip up". It is my experience that local law enforcement put very little effort into solving property crime. The effort rises dramatically if the victim is a cop (or is related to one), a politician gets involved or the media reports on the crime. As one example, after my father died, people were using his credit cards and checkbook to steal money (until the Master Death File sent his details to banks). The police said that this crime was so common that they did not investigate (nor refer anything to the district attorney) when the theft is below $250k. A casual mention that dad was a volunteer cop, and had been for 9 years lit a fire under the police and they had investigated and arrested the perps within 2 weeks. One of the perps worked at his doctor's office and had access to his records (including payment details). She had plead to a lesser charge and when her parole officer visited her office and checked the office computer records, it turns out that he wasn't the only victim of this sort of thing (emptying dead people's bank accounts). Additionally, she was using the doctor's office computer to issue narcotics prescriptions that she also sold.
  - hnick 4y ago
    Which shows how short-sighted not investigating "this" crime is. Anyone willing to go to those lengths is probably committing multiple crimes, maybe some worse.
walterbell 4y ago
ESP8266 Wi-Fi deauthers start at $20 based on open-source software that is constantly evolving. Today's novel attack paper, complete with sample repro code for Ubuntu Linux, is tomorrow's wrist-mounted COTS tool for the less clueful, https://www.amazon.com/s?k=wifi+deauther https://www.amazon.com/s?k=wifi+deauther & https://github.com/SpacehuhnTech/esp8266_deauther https://github.com/SpacehuhnTech/esp8266_deauther https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221421262100243X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221421262... > The key takeaway of our analysis is that currently there exist diverse ways of abusing SAE to inflict DoS, and, excluding software bugs, some of them are rather due to misconceptions or conjectures done while implementing the standard.

6stringmerc 4y ago

The criminals we don’t hear about because they don’t get caught go to great lengths to achieve their goals. As one person said, they have two jobs - committing the crime, and not making a mistake that can get them caught. It only takes one small slip up in most cases documented. I think it’s a great mental exercise akin to escape rooms or Tetris.

phpisthebest 4y ago
>not making a mistake that can get them caught. Today in most areas (at least in the US) Normally that means just getting away without interacting with the cops at the moment sometimes not even that is required the defund police movement, bail reform, and many other political movements have more or less decriminalized property crime Unless you have a gun, are violent (sometimes not even then), or steal from a politically connected person chances are the police in the US will do nothing for normal everyday theft from a normal everyday person
- aaaaaaaaaaab 4y ago
  At least you can shoot them in the US.
Tangurena2 4y ago
It takes more than "one small slip up". It is my experience that local law enforcement put very little effort into solving property crime. The effort rises dramatically if the victim is a cop (or is related to one), a politician gets involved or the media reports on the crime. As one example, after my father died, people were using his credit cards and checkbook to steal money (until the Master Death File sent his details to banks). The police said that this crime was so common that they did not investigate (nor refer anything to the district attorney) when the theft is below $250k. A casual mention that dad was a volunteer cop, and had been for 9 years lit a fire under the police and they had investigated and arrested the perps within 2 weeks. One of the perps worked at his doctor's office and had access to his records (including payment details). She had plead to a lesser charge and when her parole officer visited her office and checked the office computer records, it turns out that he wasn't the only victim of this sort of thing (emptying dead people's bank accounts). Additionally, she was using the doctor's office computer to issue narcotics prescriptions that she also sold.
- hnick 4y ago
  Which shows how short-sighted not investigating "this" crime is. Anyone willing to go to those lengths is probably committing multiple crimes, maybe some worse.

walterbell 4y ago

ESP8266 Wi-Fi deauthers start at $20 based on open-source software that is constantly evolving. Today's novel attack paper, complete with sample repro code for Ubuntu Linux, is tomorrow's wrist-mounted COTS tool for the less clueful, https://www.amazon.com/s?k=wifi+deauther https://www.amazon.com/s?k=wifi+deauther & https://github.com/SpacehuhnTech/esp8266_deauther https://github.com/SpacehuhnTech/esp8266_deauther https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221421262100243X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221421262... > The key takeaway of our analysis is that currently there exist diverse ways of abusing SAE to inflict DoS, and, excluding software bugs, some of them are rather due to misconceptions or conjectures done while implementing the standard.