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> "Khrushchev’s mistake". This is a Russian / Kremlin talking point. > It'd be as if some Western official started defending Hitler's Lebensraum If you were p

> "Khrushchev’s mistake". This is a Russian / Kremlin talking point. > It'd be as if some Western official started defending Hitler's Lebensraum If you were proposing a compromise Hitler would accept then saying the phrase "and this provides them the 'Lebensraum' he needs to save face..." would be reasonable. Proposing a compromise that would be an out for Putin does require offering him something that Russia wants. Fwiw many libs were talking off-ramps and such early in the war. For the record, I think they should fight, but I can understand that other people disagree and think a brokered-peace is necessary. > the minute you start spreading their propaganda, yeah... people are going to get pissed, ya know? Well, "using their talking points". But that's fair.

dragontamer 4y ago
Why are we talking about compromises when Ukraine is winning? At a minimum, wait for Ukraine to suffer a setback before asking them to compromise. Ukraine's victories on the battlefield today, and yesterday, only make Musk's words ever more ridiculous. -------- This isn't someone hoping for peace when the Nazis were advancing. This is more akin to someone asking for Peace with Hitler *AFTER* the Normandy landing.
- LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
  The people I mention proposing similar early in the war were also saying it when Ukraine was doing well and Russia was not. All the current problems were already visible. I agree that they shouldn't stop fighting. I simply don't mind that other people feel differently and will even change their minds at times. > This is more akin to someone asking for Peace with Hitler AFTER the Normandy landing Most negotiated peace treaties seem to come after one side realizes it will eventually lose so that's how it would have happened. > At a minimum, wait for Ukraine to suffer a setback before asking them to compromise I'm not a professional diplomat but that does not seem right, if they did want to negotiate it's generally good to do so from a position of apparent strength.
  - dragontamer 4y ago
    The only compromise here is get the Russians out of Ukraine. Which seems like the only moral choice here. Anything else would be rewarding Russia for it's aggression.

dragontamer 4y ago

Why are we talking about compromises when Ukraine is winning? At a minimum, wait for Ukraine to suffer a setback before asking them to compromise. Ukraine's victories on the battlefield today, and yesterday, only make Musk's words ever more ridiculous. -------- This isn't someone hoping for peace when the Nazis were advancing. This is more akin to someone asking for Peace with Hitler *AFTER* the Normandy landing.

LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
The people I mention proposing similar early in the war were also saying it when Ukraine was doing well and Russia was not. All the current problems were already visible. I agree that they shouldn't stop fighting. I simply don't mind that other people feel differently and will even change their minds at times. > This is more akin to someone asking for Peace with Hitler AFTER the Normandy landing Most negotiated peace treaties seem to come after one side realizes it will eventually lose so that's how it would have happened. > At a minimum, wait for Ukraine to suffer a setback before asking them to compromise I'm not a professional diplomat but that does not seem right, if they did want to negotiate it's generally good to do so from a position of apparent strength.
- dragontamer 4y ago
  The only compromise here is get the Russians out of Ukraine. Which seems like the only moral choice here. Anything else would be rewarding Russia for it's aggression.