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Seems like you want the charger to be aware of the hosts state of charge. Typically telemetry only flows from device to computer, which this violates. Most lap

Seems like you want the charger to be aware of the hosts state of charge. Typically telemetry only flows from device to computer, which this violates. Most laptops/tablets/phones/&c do know their state of charge & can in software disable charging, although only some expose this to users. This is often available in Linux but I dont think any particular scripts/apps for controlling this have risen to notice yet.

joshspankit 4y ago
With USB-C, communication (and even charging) can be bidirectional. It’s built in to the spec
- rektide 4y ago
  Charging can be yes. But you are still asking for a complete rewrite of how everythinf works, for it all to be totally different. It's not a totally unreasonable ask, it's just not in reach. Unlike my discussion above, which proposes a plan entirely doable with standards we have. USB-PD negotiates power delivery, but it doesnt communicate battery or other status. It uses a different sideband to nevotiate outside regular usb communications, and conveys very limited information. There's no battery informatuon conveyed. My above post spoke to how multi-decade old USB HID standards can be used to present current battery status for battery packs. We'd have to flip the relationship around- make the charger be a host that can manage an attached battery, the laptop be a peripheral that exports it's power status, to invert tbe control system as you want, to make the charger responsible for battery managememt & not the device. Or we'd need to radically revamp usb-pd & layer in a lot more capabilities. It'd be cool, in some ways. Plug in any device & it'll only 85% charge. But it's also far more complicated & rewrites all the rules in every way, unlike what I was talking about, which is just battery packs & chargers kind enough to export their status over some very very old simple specs.
  - joshspankit 4y ago
    Yes I agree that my wish is unreasonable and your plan is much more attainable. I don’t want to flip everything on it’s head (OK that’s a lie: I would love to flip almost everything in the name of having better solutions). But what I mean to say is I know what I’m asking for is unreasonable and certainly unrealistic in a 1-3 year timespan, but I know it’s possible and I like to dream because sometimes moonshots actually land you on the moon

joshspankit 4y ago

With USB-C, communication (and even charging) can be bidirectional. It’s built in to the spec

rektide 4y ago
Charging can be yes. But you are still asking for a complete rewrite of how everythinf works, for it all to be totally different. It's not a totally unreasonable ask, it's just not in reach. Unlike my discussion above, which proposes a plan entirely doable with standards we have. USB-PD negotiates power delivery, but it doesnt communicate battery or other status. It uses a different sideband to nevotiate outside regular usb communications, and conveys very limited information. There's no battery informatuon conveyed. My above post spoke to how multi-decade old USB HID standards can be used to present current battery status for battery packs. We'd have to flip the relationship around- make the charger be a host that can manage an attached battery, the laptop be a peripheral that exports it's power status, to invert tbe control system as you want, to make the charger responsible for battery managememt & not the device. Or we'd need to radically revamp usb-pd & layer in a lot more capabilities. It'd be cool, in some ways. Plug in any device & it'll only 85% charge. But it's also far more complicated & rewrites all the rules in every way, unlike what I was talking about, which is just battery packs & chargers kind enough to export their status over some very very old simple specs.
- joshspankit 4y ago
  Yes I agree that my wish is unreasonable and your plan is much more attainable. I don’t want to flip everything on it’s head (OK that’s a lie: I would love to flip almost everything in the name of having better solutions). But what I mean to say is I know what I’m asking for is unreasonable and certainly unrealistic in a 1-3 year timespan, but I know it’s possible and I like to dream because sometimes moonshots actually land you on the moon