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dissapointed to see expansion in a high tax blue state with a trash tier record on gun rights. i can't find any mention of why they chose it, any ideas why? ed

dissapointed to see expansion in a high tax blue state with a trash tier record on gun rights. i can't find any mention of why they chose it, any ideas why? edit: looks like water and seismic activity are the leading suggestions?

skullone 4y ago
I doubt gun rights are high on the list when embarking on $100B chip fab builds.
- collegeburner 4y ago
  idk i've heard a lot of noise on companies paying for female employees to get abortions if they're unavailable in-state and imo it's a pretty good benefit in states with overly draconian laws. so i'm sort of hoping micron (and other companies who choose to expand in states that infringe on people's freedom) will announce a similar program to help employees access and exercise their gun rights.
  - lkschubert8 4y ago
    Are gun rights particularly related or is this just an axe to grind?
    - jimbob45 4y ago
      He seems like a troll but it is curious that such a deal would go through this late in the election cycle, too late to affect races the way it could have in July.
      - JshWright 4y ago
        With the exception of the Governor, most of the folks getting face time and taking credit for this either aren't up for election this year, or are running unopposed (or only facing token opposition).
    - coinbasetwwa 4y ago
      Any company supporting a state or country that is flagrantly violating the natural human rights of its citizens should be called out.
    - collegeburner 4y ago
      sure, they're a big part of the reason i turned down an otherwise good position in new york state (along with higher taxes making it less competitive, not a big fan of the weather and don't much like the culture as a lifelong Texan).
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  - throwawaylinux 4y ago
    Where's the logic here? Encouraging employees to abort their babies is in a company's economic interests so that's hardly a surprise. What makes you think gun ownership and use would be beneficial to them?
    - coinbasetwwa 4y ago
      Replacing a dead employee is more expensive than simply setting up a company where your employees are more likely to stay alive. Also an employee proving their self defense case to the state will have fantastic retention due to the financial costs involved.
      - JshWright 4y ago
        If avoiding dead employees is the goal, then setting up shop in a state with strict gun laws is the right decision. New York is consistently in the top-5 for lowest per capita firearm related deaths. New York scores very well for pretty much all preventable causes of death. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/stats_of_the_states.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/stats_of_the_states.htm
- coinbasetwwa 4y ago
  And that’s pretty weird that a company would set up shop with no regards to the human rights of its employees.
thehappypm 4y ago
It shouldn’t surprise you that economic activity is focused in a blue state. Blue states (even at a county level) have the strongest economies and red states are the welfare babies, on average. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/10/election-2020-democrats-republicans-economy.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/10/election-2020-democrats-repu...
bee_rider 4y ago
Probably a combination of water, seismic activity is not to bad, and blue states generally have better education systems and an easier time attracting educated people. Also NY has been trying to grow the economy in the area, they probably provided attractive incentives. FWIW, I think NYC is more restrictive than NY state on the gun stuff. At least I know some avid hunters from rural NY, I don't think they have any issues getting hunting rifles, maybe they had to fill out some paperwork or something.
- a4a4a4a4 4y ago
  NYS is overall absolutely terrible for gun stuff. Hunting rifles and shotguns are easy, but the current process for purchasing anything semi-automatic and/or a handgun in very onerous. Over a year wait in most counties, years long residency requirements, you have to give up your social media accounts, submit various notarized statements, in-person interviews, etc. If I have a NYS CCW and you don't, I cannot legally take you to a range (or my backyard) and let you try out shooting a handgun. You need to go through the entire permit process before you can touch a handgun inside of NYS. And if you're not a NYS resident? No permit for you, they don't grant them to non-residents. It's easier to buy handguns in most European countries than in NYS, and that's not a good thing. The entire process is made to be incredibly time consuming, expensive and frustrating, enough that most people will just give up and not do it.
  - tetromino_ 4y ago
    That sounds like a reasonable set of policies, to be honest. Easy to get the kind of gun you would want as an ordinary working tool in the countryside or for home defense. Difficult and time-consuming to get the kind of gun you would want for a mass murder.
    - coinbasetwwa 4y ago
      Semiautomatic rifles and pistols are the most commonly used guns for home and self defense by a large margin. Being behind a 2 year wait to perform the same background check the federal government can do in 30 seconds makes absolutely zero sense.
coinbasetwwa 4y ago
As a lifelong New Yorker who spent some time in Syracuse it’s bizarre to see. It’s a super sparse area with not much to offer. Onondaga county is pretty decent on gun rights with regards to issuing pistol licenses quickly and having pro gun judges approve them, but you’re still within NYS which is a major headache. Would be better for companies to abandon the state altogether.
JshWright 4y ago
While NY might be "trash tier" on gun rights, it's "S tier" on firearm related mortality... Wonder if those things are related...? https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/... To answer your actual question though, the major reasons are access to cheap water (Lake Ontario), cheap housing, cheap/green power (lots of hydro and nuclear in the area), and low seismic activity. The location they selected also has quick access to both I-90 and I-81, the major east/west and north/south routes through the state. The whole "blue state" thing also helps (blue states invest more in education, infrastructure, etc)
bb88 4y ago
Dude, like what's your issue? They've been in ruby red Idaho for like 30 years now. Edit: Actually they've been in Idaho since 1978. So 44 years now.

skullone 4y ago

I doubt gun rights are high on the list when embarking on $100B chip fab builds.

collegeburner 4y ago
idk i've heard a lot of noise on companies paying for female employees to get abortions if they're unavailable in-state and imo it's a pretty good benefit in states with overly draconian laws. so i'm sort of hoping micron (and other companies who choose to expand in states that infringe on people's freedom) will announce a similar program to help employees access and exercise their gun rights.
- lkschubert8 4y ago
  Are gun rights particularly related or is this just an axe to grind?
  - jimbob45 4y ago
    He seems like a troll but it is curious that such a deal would go through this late in the election cycle, too late to affect races the way it could have in July.
    - JshWright 4y ago
      With the exception of the Governor, most of the folks getting face time and taking credit for this either aren't up for election this year, or are running unopposed (or only facing token opposition).
  - coinbasetwwa 4y ago
    Any company supporting a state or country that is flagrantly violating the natural human rights of its citizens should be called out.
  - collegeburner 4y ago
    sure, they're a big part of the reason i turned down an otherwise good position in new york state (along with higher taxes making it less competitive, not a big fan of the weather and don't much like the culture as a lifelong Texan).
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- throwawaylinux 4y ago
  Where's the logic here? Encouraging employees to abort their babies is in a company's economic interests so that's hardly a surprise. What makes you think gun ownership and use would be beneficial to them?
  - coinbasetwwa 4y ago
    Replacing a dead employee is more expensive than simply setting up a company where your employees are more likely to stay alive. Also an employee proving their self defense case to the state will have fantastic retention due to the financial costs involved.
    - JshWright 4y ago
      If avoiding dead employees is the goal, then setting up shop in a state with strict gun laws is the right decision. New York is consistently in the top-5 for lowest per capita firearm related deaths. New York scores very well for pretty much all preventable causes of death. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/stats_of_the_states.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/stats_of_the_states.htm
coinbasetwwa 4y ago
And that’s pretty weird that a company would set up shop with no regards to the human rights of its employees.

thehappypm 4y ago

It shouldn’t surprise you that economic activity is focused in a blue state. Blue states (even at a county level) have the strongest economies and red states are the welfare babies, on average. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/10/election-2020-democrats-republicans-economy.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/10/election-2020-democrats-repu...

bee_rider 4y ago

Probably a combination of water, seismic activity is not to bad, and blue states generally have better education systems and an easier time attracting educated people. Also NY has been trying to grow the economy in the area, they probably provided attractive incentives. FWIW, I think NYC is more restrictive than NY state on the gun stuff. At least I know some avid hunters from rural NY, I don't think they have any issues getting hunting rifles, maybe they had to fill out some paperwork or something.

a4a4a4a4 4y ago
NYS is overall absolutely terrible for gun stuff. Hunting rifles and shotguns are easy, but the current process for purchasing anything semi-automatic and/or a handgun in very onerous. Over a year wait in most counties, years long residency requirements, you have to give up your social media accounts, submit various notarized statements, in-person interviews, etc. If I have a NYS CCW and you don't, I cannot legally take you to a range (or my backyard) and let you try out shooting a handgun. You need to go through the entire permit process before you can touch a handgun inside of NYS. And if you're not a NYS resident? No permit for you, they don't grant them to non-residents. It's easier to buy handguns in most European countries than in NYS, and that's not a good thing. The entire process is made to be incredibly time consuming, expensive and frustrating, enough that most people will just give up and not do it.
- tetromino_ 4y ago
  That sounds like a reasonable set of policies, to be honest. Easy to get the kind of gun you would want as an ordinary working tool in the countryside or for home defense. Difficult and time-consuming to get the kind of gun you would want for a mass murder.
  - coinbasetwwa 4y ago
    Semiautomatic rifles and pistols are the most commonly used guns for home and self defense by a large margin. Being behind a 2 year wait to perform the same background check the federal government can do in 30 seconds makes absolutely zero sense.

coinbasetwwa 4y ago

As a lifelong New Yorker who spent some time in Syracuse it’s bizarre to see. It’s a super sparse area with not much to offer. Onondaga county is pretty decent on gun rights with regards to issuing pistol licenses quickly and having pro gun judges approve them, but you’re still within NYS which is a major headache. Would be better for companies to abandon the state altogether.

JshWright 4y ago

While NY might be "trash tier" on gun rights, it's "S tier" on firearm related mortality... Wonder if those things are related...? https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/... To answer your actual question though, the major reasons are access to cheap water (Lake Ontario), cheap housing, cheap/green power (lots of hydro and nuclear in the area), and low seismic activity. The location they selected also has quick access to both I-90 and I-81, the major east/west and north/south routes through the state. The whole "blue state" thing also helps (blue states invest more in education, infrastructure, etc)

bb88 4y ago

Dude, like what's your issue? They've been in ruby red Idaho for like 30 years now. Edit: Actually they've been in Idaho since 1978. So 44 years now.