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> Using a computer engine is part of learning and preparing in chess (AFAICT). What other sport has a similar issue where an extremely useful and essential and
by zeven7 4y ago
> Using a computer engine is part of learning and preparing in chess (AFAICT). What other sport has a similar issue where an extremely useful and essential and highly available tool in the sport is considered cheating based entirely on using it within the narrow window of a game?
In Magnus' recent interview with Lex Fridman, he said though members of his team utilize engines in preparation, it's not something he personally uses very much if at all in his training. In fact he seems to think training against engines can be detrimental.
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Transcript from: https://steno.ai/lex-fridman-podcast-10/315-magnus-carlsen-g https://steno.ai/lex-fridman-podcast-10/315-magnus-carlsen-g...
Lex: How much do you use engines like Leela and Stockfish in your preparations?
Magnus: My team does. Personally, I try not to use them too much on on my own because I know that when I play you can obviously cannot have help from from engines and often I feel like often having imperfect or knowledge about a position or some engine knowledge can be a lot worse than than having no knowledge. So I try to look at engines as little as possible.
Lex: So yeah, so your team uses them for research for generation of ideas but you are relying primarily on your human resources.
Mangus: Yeah, for sure... I can evaluate as a human. I can know what they find unpleasant and so on and it's very often the case for me to some extent... And so then looking at the engines doesn't necessarily help because at that point you're facing a human, you have to sort of think as a human.
- maegul 4y agoThanks ... didn't listen to that interview. Also, I'm not a chess person, so everything is AFAICT. But ... 1) Magnus is one of the greatest ever, so he doesn't count as an example; 2) From excerpt, his *team* does use engines, and he *uses his team*. So his use of engines is one degree removed compared to others, which hardly matters, especially given point 1 above.
- bombcar 4y agoYeah, I thing Magnus is saying he doesn’t practice by playing the computer because it doesn’t help; but his team can use the computer to try to find human situations for him to look at. And it makes sense - if he’s the best he really doesn’t have someone better to play against to “learn” so finding plausible situations could be useful. I wonder if that’s one of the things - he felt like he was playing a computer.