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For anyone not following this I'll save you some time with the TL;DR: Hustler Casino livestreams a regular game with High Stakes Poker. A new player who is als

For anyone not following this I'll save you some time with the TL;DR: Hustler Casino livestreams a regular game with High Stakes Poker. A new player who is also a wealthy model wife type made a call against a pro that sucked out where her decision making was baffling. Off camera but on mic the pro demanded his money back. Then it blew up into a giant drama of accused cheating. Here's my read on what happened: this woman is basically buying her way into being a poker celebrity, something many people have done before, some of them successfully in the long run. She's new the game, and pretty clearly not as sophisticated a player as the rest of that table, to put it mildly. This hand would be a very bizarre one to cheat in, as there were others with much more upside and that would trigger less suspicion. On the other hand, new players often combine both overconfidence with nervous panic, especially when say this is the biggest stream you've gotten onto yet with your plan. So basically I think she just made a huge emotionally driven donkey call like you'd see at a drunken house game, then just said whatever she thought would sound smarter than "I did a donkey call." Then when this big figure in the poker world is giving her the death stare and then asking for his money back, she probably just wanted to put out the fire as quickly as possible. This is by far the most parsimonious explanation.

LgWoodenBadger 4y ago
From personal experience, there’s nothing “good” poker players hate more than losing to a “bad” poker player who “shouldn’t have even been in the band.”
- jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
  Especially in this era of GTO kinda taking over poker mindshare, it's important to remember that poker games happen in a context and something like Game Theory is really only applicable when you can fully account for everyone's subjective ordering of utility of outcomes. I played in a weekly game back during the early 00's poker boom, where one guy that showed up pretty clearly just wanted to get away from his wife and get drunk. It was a low stakes game (intentionally so diverse friends could play) and the amounts involved were totally immaterial to him. He had zero problem being the fish of the game and no real pride in his play or the outcome.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    I played a very small amount in the early heyday of the fad around the 00s and since I didn’t know what I was doing other players really didn’t like me, because I wasn’t predictable.
- moralestapia 4y ago
  This happens almost everywhere. There's some advice about never being better than your boss, particularly in public. I despise it, btw.
hackerlight 4y ago
Most pros I've read think she misread her hand as J3 (instead of J4, which is what she had), which gave her the impression of having a pair. The donk call was seen as too obviously a bad call for it to be a viable explanation.
kmonsen 4y ago
So that story seems reasonable, but at the same time she is a winning player in these games. I know, two sessions has enormous variance, but still the kind of people doing that mistake should not be a winning player in their first two sessions.
- jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
  That weekly game I mentioned? I got disinvited after I convinced them to let my then girlfriend join a weekend tournament we organized. She was a mahjong player so not totally unfamiliar with the sort of thinking, but a total poker novice. She destroyed everyone that day. It wasn't because she was a stronger player in terms of her rationale behind each decision. It happens. You really can't conclude jack from 2 sessions.

LgWoodenBadger 4y ago

From personal experience, there’s nothing “good” poker players hate more than losing to a “bad” poker player who “shouldn’t have even been in the band.”

jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
Especially in this era of GTO kinda taking over poker mindshare, it's important to remember that poker games happen in a context and something like Game Theory is really only applicable when you can fully account for everyone's subjective ordering of utility of outcomes. I played in a weekly game back during the early 00's poker boom, where one guy that showed up pretty clearly just wanted to get away from his wife and get drunk. It was a low stakes game (intentionally so diverse friends could play) and the amounts involved were totally immaterial to him. He had zero problem being the fish of the game and no real pride in his play or the outcome.
- bombcar 4y ago
  I played a very small amount in the early heyday of the fad around the 00s and since I didn’t know what I was doing other players really didn’t like me, because I wasn’t predictable.
moralestapia 4y ago
This happens almost everywhere. There's some advice about never being better than your boss, particularly in public. I despise it, btw.

hackerlight 4y ago

Most pros I've read think she misread her hand as J3 (instead of J4, which is what she had), which gave her the impression of having a pair. The donk call was seen as too obviously a bad call for it to be a viable explanation.

kmonsen 4y ago

So that story seems reasonable, but at the same time she is a winning player in these games. I know, two sessions has enormous variance, but still the kind of people doing that mistake should not be a winning player in their first two sessions.

jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
That weekly game I mentioned? I got disinvited after I convinced them to let my then girlfriend join a weekend tournament we organized. She was a mahjong player so not totally unfamiliar with the sort of thinking, but a total poker novice. She destroyed everyone that day. It wasn't because she was a stronger player in terms of her rationale behind each decision. It happens. You really can't conclude jack from 2 sessions.