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Hypothetically, is the solution to give Ukraine their nuclear weapons back? Well, suitable replacements from the US, that is. Since Russia reneged on the prote

by ericb 4y ago

Hypothetically, is the solution to give Ukraine their nuclear weapons back? Well, suitable replacements from the US, that is. Since Russia reneged on the protection deal when they were removed, it seems like what they signed is moot. From a game theory perspective, doesn't this restore MAD?

vorpalhex 4y ago
The trust barrier for holding onto nuclear weapons is much higher than the trust barrier for artillery. Ukraine has a history of corruption and bribery issues. The current regime seems fine but 20 years from now?
- Consultant32452 4y ago
  For most of the war only about 30-40% of the arms we sent actually made it to the war effort. The rest appears to have been sold off to the black market. That doesn't seem fine to me. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-military-aid-weapons-front-lines/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-military-aid-weapons-fr... >Back in April, he estimated that just "30-40%" of the supplies coming across the border reached its final destination. But he says the situation has significantly improved since then and a much larger quantity now gets where it's supposed to go.
  - vorpalhex 4y ago
    Both your statement and your quote are misleading. That estimate is from Jonas Ohman, a CEO of a Lithuanian charity, and it's estimate from back in April. That is not a figure with any authority. Also, > Ohman relies largely on unofficial channels to deliver his supplies
    - remarkEon 4y ago
      > Ohman relies largely on unofficial channels to deliver his supplies And this statement is supposed to mean what? That actual deliveries are higher than 30-40%? It's just a guess at this point for how many weapons actually reach Ukrainians who are actually fighting.
      - vorpalhex 4y ago
        If you deliver supplies via the black market, then yes you are going to lose more supplies to the black market.
hackerlight 4y ago
They didn't have the launch codes for the nukes that they gave up.

by ericb 4y ago

vorpalhex 4y ago

The trust barrier for holding onto nuclear weapons is much higher than the trust barrier for artillery. Ukraine has a history of corruption and bribery issues. The current regime seems fine but 20 years from now?

Consultant32452 4y ago
For most of the war only about 30-40% of the arms we sent actually made it to the war effort. The rest appears to have been sold off to the black market. That doesn't seem fine to me. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-military-aid-weapons-front-lines/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-military-aid-weapons-fr... >Back in April, he estimated that just "30-40%" of the supplies coming across the border reached its final destination. But he says the situation has significantly improved since then and a much larger quantity now gets where it's supposed to go.
- vorpalhex 4y ago
  Both your statement and your quote are misleading. That estimate is from Jonas Ohman, a CEO of a Lithuanian charity, and it's estimate from back in April. That is not a figure with any authority. Also, > Ohman relies largely on unofficial channels to deliver his supplies
  - remarkEon 4y ago
    > Ohman relies largely on unofficial channels to deliver his supplies And this statement is supposed to mean what? That actual deliveries are higher than 30-40%? It's just a guess at this point for how many weapons actually reach Ukrainians who are actually fighting.
    - vorpalhex 4y ago
      If you deliver supplies via the black market, then yes you are going to lose more supplies to the black market.

hackerlight 4y ago

They didn't have the launch codes for the nukes that they gave up.