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It is not an evidence at all. Things look rather damning only if you are already biased.

Retric 4y ago
Are you suggesting the unbiased stance should be to ignore all prior evidence? People repeat themselves and form habits.
- Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
  Whatever people do at young age does not have to define the rest of their lives. Did you never do anything stupid in your life? Also, I don't know why alleged cheating when playing on some site should affect OTB tournament games. They are even governed by different bodies! Just have really thorough anti-cheating measures in place, and see how strong he plays.
  - Retric 4y ago
    I don’t know if you are aware but he was removed from chess.com in 2020 and admired he was cheating then. So has a long term and recent history with cheating, this wasn’t just some youthful indiscretion. The report includes strong evidence he was recently and repeatedly cheating in games for prize money which shows a serious lack of ethics. Anyway, I don’t see any significant difference in OTB vs online cheating. It’s at most slightly easier to cheat online, but the OTB prize pools are significant.
    - Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
      > It’s at most slightly easier to cheat online This statement is so far removed from reality that I am not sure that it would be productive to continue the discussion.
      - Retric 4y ago
        Your disbelief just shows ignorance. The hard part of cheating isn’t inputting and receiving moves, and in fact documented chess cheating goes back to the late 1800’s.
        Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
        Well what do I know about chess? my lichess rapid rating is slightly below 2600, so chances are your expertise in chess cheating far exceeds mine. Please, tell us how exactly did Niemann cheat in that OTB game with Carlsen, and circumvented the measures taken by the tournament organizers?
aliswe 4y ago
Why repeat the same statement in another message?

Are you suggesting the unbiased stance should be to ignore all prior evidence? People repeat themselves and form habits.

Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
Whatever people do at young age does not have to define the rest of their lives. Did you never do anything stupid in your life? Also, I don't know why alleged cheating when playing on some site should affect OTB tournament games. They are even governed by different bodies! Just have really thorough anti-cheating measures in place, and see how strong he plays.
- Retric 4y ago
  I don’t know if you are aware but he was removed from chess.com in 2020 and admired he was cheating then. So has a long term and recent history with cheating, this wasn’t just some youthful indiscretion. The report includes strong evidence he was recently and repeatedly cheating in games for prize money which shows a serious lack of ethics. Anyway, I don’t see any significant difference in OTB vs online cheating. It’s at most slightly easier to cheat online, but the OTB prize pools are significant.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
    > It’s at most slightly easier to cheat online This statement is so far removed from reality that I am not sure that it would be productive to continue the discussion.
    - Retric 4y ago
      Your disbelief just shows ignorance. The hard part of cheating isn’t inputting and receiving moves, and in fact documented chess cheating goes back to the late 1800’s.
      - Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
        Well what do I know about chess? my lichess rapid rating is slightly below 2600, so chances are your expertise in chess cheating far exceeds mine. Please, tell us how exactly did Niemann cheat in that OTB game with Carlsen, and circumvented the measures taken by the tournament organizers?

aliswe 4y ago

Why repeat the same statement in another message?