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It's an especially stupid thing to point out when that's not the case here, as OP points out. Like, why even mention it then? There is enough negativity/pessimi

by dntrkv 4y ago

It's an especially stupid thing to point out when that's not the case here, as OP points out. Like, why even mention it then? There is enough negativity/pessimism around, no reason to add to it.

rad_gruchalski 4y ago
I am not trying to be negative. I mean, what’s brewing is not a subject to throw jokes around. It’s a genuine question, considering current geopolitical issues, when is the right time to prepare for a crisis if not now?
- megablast 4y ago
  Clearly they were not talking to you.
  - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
    In my defense, it was late. Thank you for pointing that out.
- alex_young 4y ago
  I'm not clear on why you have such a negative take on the response to the pandemic in general. I thought the speed of development and delivery of the mRNA vaccines was nothing short of unprecedented. A lot of things went wrong, but drug development and delivery wasn't one of them IMO.
  - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
    Where did I mention anything related to the pandemic?
    - bretthoerner 4y ago
      To maybe help defuse: it looks to me like dntrkv was actually agreeing with you (and talking about dereg's post), but it seems like you misunderstood, and then alex_young probably misread you as being dereg given your reply. Just my take, obv.
      - alex_young 4y ago
        Indeed that is the case. Apologies for the confusion.
  - TotoHorner 4y ago
    > I'm not clear on why you have such a negative take on the response to the pandemic in general You must've been living under a rock then. Here's a few articles to jog your memory. - https://www.npr.org/2020/11/06/929078678/cdc-report-officials-knew-coronavirus-test-was-flawed-but-released-it-anyway https://www.npr.org/2020/11/06/929078678/cdc-report-official... - https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.01269 https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.01269 - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/health/coronavirus-masks-shortage.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/health/coronavirus-masks-... > speed of development and delivery of the mRNA vaccines was nothing short of unprecedented That was the only thing that was better than expected. We were flying completely blind at the start of the pandemic (when there was a chance of containment) because the CDC had a completely flawed test and banned every other alternative.
    - John23832 4y ago
      I'd ask which country wasn't? We were dealing with a novel virus. Even China which has dealt with new viral outbreaks before (I'm ignoring any insinuation of their foreknowledge of covid), is STILL struggling.
      - TotoHorner 4y ago
        Literally every country in Southeast Asia had far, far fewer deaths because they were able to contain the spread far better than the US. Just spend 2 minutes looking at the statistics. Australia had 15,000 total deaths compared to the US's 1 million. > Even China which has dealt with new viral outbreaks before (I'm ignoring any insinuation of their foreknowledge of covid), is STILL struggling. Struggling is a relative term. China has reported 5k deaths from COVID. Even if you don't believe numbers from the CCP, even 10x that (50k deaths) is far, far better than the US. Right now, China is "struggling" because they're still clinging to zero-covid policies. They'll lock an entire neighborhood down over a few cases. As you probably know, these things grow exponentially, so containing the spread at the very start is really, really crucial. We were completely blind during the start of the pandemic due almost entirely to failures by the CDC.
- deleted 4y ago
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qwertox 4y ago
Thank you, this is why I value HN so much.
disabled 4y ago
Collecting potassium iodine is not going to save Americans, that’s for sure. The amount of preparation for the American people to survive would be next to extraordinary. Most people these days do not have what it takes, and certainly our government does not, either. The thing is that even if the missile defense system works 100% successfully for a nuke approaching the United States, the electromagnetic pulse above is enough to disable all electronic devices in the US. Like the trajectory of the plume covers the vast majority of the US, no matter what direction the nuke comes from.
- giantg2 4y ago
  At the altitudes they would typically be intercepted at (for ICBMs amyways), it would likely be dispersed over most of a hemisphere and likely somewhat weak... until there are multiples.
- leetcrew 4y ago
  what electromagnetic pulse? intercepting a nuke doesn't detonate it early like a conventional explosive; it most likely turns it into a dud.
  - TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
    The EMP blasts - likely multiple - that are precursor strikes for the city bombing.

by dntrkv 4y ago

It's an especially stupid thing to point out when that's not the case here, as OP points out. Like, why even mention it then? There is enough negativity/pessimism around, no reason to add to it.

rad_gruchalski 4y ago

I am not trying to be negative. I mean, what’s brewing is not a subject to throw jokes around. It’s a genuine question, considering current geopolitical issues, when is the right time to prepare for a crisis if not now?

megablast 4y ago
Clearly they were not talking to you.
- rad_gruchalski 4y ago
  In my defense, it was late. Thank you for pointing that out.
alex_young 4y ago
I'm not clear on why you have such a negative take on the response to the pandemic in general. I thought the speed of development and delivery of the mRNA vaccines was nothing short of unprecedented. A lot of things went wrong, but drug development and delivery wasn't one of them IMO.
- rad_gruchalski 4y ago
  Where did I mention anything related to the pandemic?
  - bretthoerner 4y ago
    To maybe help defuse: it looks to me like dntrkv was actually agreeing with you (and talking about dereg's post), but it seems like you misunderstood, and then alex_young probably misread you as being dereg given your reply. Just my take, obv.
    - alex_young 4y ago
      Indeed that is the case. Apologies for the confusion.
- TotoHorner 4y ago
  > I'm not clear on why you have such a negative take on the response to the pandemic in general You must've been living under a rock then. Here's a few articles to jog your memory. - https://www.npr.org/2020/11/06/929078678/cdc-report-officials-knew-coronavirus-test-was-flawed-but-released-it-anyway https://www.npr.org/2020/11/06/929078678/cdc-report-official... - https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.01269 https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.01269 - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/health/coronavirus-masks-shortage.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/health/coronavirus-masks-... > speed of development and delivery of the mRNA vaccines was nothing short of unprecedented That was the only thing that was better than expected. We were flying completely blind at the start of the pandemic (when there was a chance of containment) because the CDC had a completely flawed test and banned every other alternative.
  - John23832 4y ago
    I'd ask which country wasn't? We were dealing with a novel virus. Even China which has dealt with new viral outbreaks before (I'm ignoring any insinuation of their foreknowledge of covid), is STILL struggling.
    - TotoHorner 4y ago
      Literally every country in Southeast Asia had far, far fewer deaths because they were able to contain the spread far better than the US. Just spend 2 minutes looking at the statistics. Australia had 15,000 total deaths compared to the US's 1 million. > Even China which has dealt with new viral outbreaks before (I'm ignoring any insinuation of their foreknowledge of covid), is STILL struggling. Struggling is a relative term. China has reported 5k deaths from COVID. Even if you don't believe numbers from the CCP, even 10x that (50k deaths) is far, far better than the US. Right now, China is "struggling" because they're still clinging to zero-covid policies. They'll lock an entire neighborhood down over a few cases. As you probably know, these things grow exponentially, so containing the spread at the very start is really, really crucial. We were completely blind during the start of the pandemic due almost entirely to failures by the CDC.
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qwertox 4y ago

Thank you, this is why I value HN so much.

disabled 4y ago

Collecting potassium iodine is not going to save Americans, that’s for sure. The amount of preparation for the American people to survive would be next to extraordinary. Most people these days do not have what it takes, and certainly our government does not, either. The thing is that even if the missile defense system works 100% successfully for a nuke approaching the United States, the electromagnetic pulse above is enough to disable all electronic devices in the US. Like the trajectory of the plume covers the vast majority of the US, no matter what direction the nuke comes from.

giantg2 4y ago
At the altitudes they would typically be intercepted at (for ICBMs amyways), it would likely be dispersed over most of a hemisphere and likely somewhat weak... until there are multiples.
leetcrew 4y ago
what electromagnetic pulse? intercepting a nuke doesn't detonate it early like a conventional explosive; it most likely turns it into a dud.
- TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
  The EMP blasts - likely multiple - that are precursor strikes for the city bombing.