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Tesla reached a mere 1.5% share of new cars in August 2022 in Germany. They are far away from "outselling" all the others.

vl 4y ago
Germany car marked is skewed towards Germany carmakers. Apart from obvious reasons, car leases through employers are only for German cars.
- cycomanic 4y ago
  I've yet to be in a country were sales are not skewed toward local cars. Sweden lots more Volvos than anything else (and definitely Teslas), France, lots more Citroen and Peugeot than anywhere else, Australia: Holden and Ford, US: lots of cars that drive nowhere else (GM, Chevy...). Regarding outselling most other car manufacturers: this seems to be the Tesla realitity distortion, it is likely true for electric cars but for all cars VW delivered ~5 M cars in 2021 vs Teslas 900k
  - gravelc 4y ago
    Australia has no local car manufacturers and hasn't for some time. Toyota is by far the biggest car seller , followed by Mazda and Hyundai. https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/vfacts-australias-2021-new-car-sales-detailed-in-full https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/vfacts-australias-2021... Tesla seem to have sold 12,094 locally last year, putting them at 18th on that list. https://www.carsguide.com.au/ev/advice/how-many-teslas-are-there-in-australia-86265 https://www.carsguide.com.au/ev/advice/how-many-teslas-are-t... Australia with its long drives if you leave a city and lack of infrastructure doesn't suit electric cars at the moment. Will change eventually, but likely lagging the rest of the world.
    - cycomanic 4y ago
      > Australia has no local car manufacturers and hasn't for some time. Toyota is by far the biggest car seller , followed by Mazda and Hyundai. I know Toyota closed it's Melbourne plant in 2017 (Holden and Ford had stopped manufacturing even earlier IIRC). I would argue though that Ford and Holden (which I just read ceased operating in 2020) are still perceived as Australian car manufacturers by most. They definitely had some cars specifically for the OZ market.
  - vishnugupta 4y ago
    > VW delivered ~5 M cars in 2021 vs Teslas 900k Maybe shifting of goal posts, but this is an impressive achievement for a manufacturer who ramped up production only couple of years ago.
- hef19898 4y ago
  While there is a preference for VW group in the corporate leasing market, theybare far from the only ones. Your first argument doesn't make any sense whatsoever so.
- mgraupner 4y ago
  "Car leases trough employers are only for German cars" - that is not true, as a German company you can lease whatever car you want for your employees. They are predominantly German cars for the obvious reasons. :)

vl 4y ago

Germany car marked is skewed towards Germany carmakers. Apart from obvious reasons, car leases through employers are only for German cars.

cycomanic 4y ago
I've yet to be in a country were sales are not skewed toward local cars. Sweden lots more Volvos than anything else (and definitely Teslas), France, lots more Citroen and Peugeot than anywhere else, Australia: Holden and Ford, US: lots of cars that drive nowhere else (GM, Chevy...). Regarding outselling most other car manufacturers: this seems to be the Tesla realitity distortion, it is likely true for electric cars but for all cars VW delivered ~5 M cars in 2021 vs Teslas 900k
- gravelc 4y ago
  Australia has no local car manufacturers and hasn't for some time. Toyota is by far the biggest car seller , followed by Mazda and Hyundai. https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/vfacts-australias-2021-new-car-sales-detailed-in-full https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/vfacts-australias-2021... Tesla seem to have sold 12,094 locally last year, putting them at 18th on that list. https://www.carsguide.com.au/ev/advice/how-many-teslas-are-there-in-australia-86265 https://www.carsguide.com.au/ev/advice/how-many-teslas-are-t... Australia with its long drives if you leave a city and lack of infrastructure doesn't suit electric cars at the moment. Will change eventually, but likely lagging the rest of the world.
  - cycomanic 4y ago
    > Australia has no local car manufacturers and hasn't for some time. Toyota is by far the biggest car seller , followed by Mazda and Hyundai. I know Toyota closed it's Melbourne plant in 2017 (Holden and Ford had stopped manufacturing even earlier IIRC). I would argue though that Ford and Holden (which I just read ceased operating in 2020) are still perceived as Australian car manufacturers by most. They definitely had some cars specifically for the OZ market.
- vishnugupta 4y ago
  > VW delivered ~5 M cars in 2021 vs Teslas 900k Maybe shifting of goal posts, but this is an impressive achievement for a manufacturer who ramped up production only couple of years ago.
hef19898 4y ago
While there is a preference for VW group in the corporate leasing market, theybare far from the only ones. Your first argument doesn't make any sense whatsoever so.
mgraupner 4y ago
"Car leases trough employers are only for German cars" - that is not true, as a German company you can lease whatever car you want for your employees. They are predominantly German cars for the obvious reasons. :)