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Honest question - why?

preommr 4y ago
I am curious too. Putting aside Musk's... "immature behavior", there's many people that have talked about how horrible it is to work at places like SpaceX because of rough working conditions. And that's a field where people can feel passionate about doing something great for mankind.
- wincy 4y ago
  I responded to the parent comment if you’re interested in my reasoning. You could be right though about the working conditions, I worked with some Tesla business analysts to do some software integration with them and it didn’t go super great. They wouldn’t communicate for m awhile, then they’d yell and screaming at us for not doing something they hadn’t asked us to do, seemed pretty bad. So you might be right! It’s possible I’d hate it.
- oceanplexian 4y ago
  Lots of people can get passionate about working for a free speech platform, I know I would. However, it's another question if Elon will deliver on that promise.
wincy 4y ago
I’ve watched as the internet changed from this wondrous bastion of free speech into curated gardens acceptable to advertisers. Just the other day Facebook flagged me for hate speech because I used some analogy that wasn’t at all hate speech or advocating for violence. Satirical in nature, but I’m sure I used some flag words like “Nazi” and “Hitler”. We’ve all been slowly trained by an algorithm to make sure we don’t say the no no words, and more keep appearing. So you end up with people in Wall Street Bets saying they’re all “highly regarded” because they’ll get in trouble if they say what they used to say. As I’ve gotten older instead of feeling like an adult I’m feeling more and more like a child being nannied by all these services. If I worked at Twitter and Musk does precisely what he says, ensures you can say anything you can legally say in the US on Twitter, I feel like I’d be doing some good in the world to work for the company.
- trog 4y ago
  > I’ve watched as the internet changed from this wondrous bastion of free speech into curated gardens acceptable to advertisers. How do you respond to Musk's idea of requiring people to sign up to Twitter with their real name and/or ID? That seems to me that it would have an absolutely massive chilling effect on free speech and I cannot understand how free speech warriors would be behind that at all. I am not a free speech absolutist but even I recognise the need for anonymous free speech on a service like Twitter. You'd cheerfully go and work in service of that goal?
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- fzeroracer 4y ago
  He's not going to do any of what you think he's going to do. You're putting him on some sort of free speech pedestal when that's not how he acts or treats people, especially those at his company or those that he particularly dislikes. He's a billionaire using his billions of dollars to try and control social media in a way that's favorable to him and he's not above singling out people who dare speak out against him like in the diver scenario.
  - concordDance 4y ago
    He'll improve free speech for those who don't personally upset him, which is a large increase in free speech on twitter.
    - timeon 4y ago
      So it is not about free speech. Just politics as always.
therealdrag0 4y ago
I would say there is still a pool of non SV engineers that twitter could give a large raise and still be cheaper than its existing employees. Also there are people who like to work for “household names” because of the prestige who haven’t heard about working conditions at Tesla/spaceX.

I am curious too. Putting aside Musk's... "immature behavior", there's many people that have talked about how horrible it is to work at places like SpaceX because of rough working conditions. And that's a field where people can feel passionate about doing something great for mankind.

wincy 4y ago
I responded to the parent comment if you’re interested in my reasoning. You could be right though about the working conditions, I worked with some Tesla business analysts to do some software integration with them and it didn’t go super great. They wouldn’t communicate for m awhile, then they’d yell and screaming at us for not doing something they hadn’t asked us to do, seemed pretty bad. So you might be right! It’s possible I’d hate it.
oceanplexian 4y ago
Lots of people can get passionate about working for a free speech platform, I know I would. However, it's another question if Elon will deliver on that promise.

wincy 4y ago

I’ve watched as the internet changed from this wondrous bastion of free speech into curated gardens acceptable to advertisers. Just the other day Facebook flagged me for hate speech because I used some analogy that wasn’t at all hate speech or advocating for violence. Satirical in nature, but I’m sure I used some flag words like “Nazi” and “Hitler”. We’ve all been slowly trained by an algorithm to make sure we don’t say the no no words, and more keep appearing. So you end up with people in Wall Street Bets saying they’re all “highly regarded” because they’ll get in trouble if they say what they used to say. As I’ve gotten older instead of feeling like an adult I’m feeling more and more like a child being nannied by all these services. If I worked at Twitter and Musk does precisely what he says, ensures you can say anything you can legally say in the US on Twitter, I feel like I’d be doing some good in the world to work for the company.

trog 4y ago
> I’ve watched as the internet changed from this wondrous bastion of free speech into curated gardens acceptable to advertisers. How do you respond to Musk's idea of requiring people to sign up to Twitter with their real name and/or ID? That seems to me that it would have an absolutely massive chilling effect on free speech and I cannot understand how free speech warriors would be behind that at all. I am not a free speech absolutist but even I recognise the need for anonymous free speech on a service like Twitter. You'd cheerfully go and work in service of that goal?
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fzeroracer 4y ago
He's not going to do any of what you think he's going to do. You're putting him on some sort of free speech pedestal when that's not how he acts or treats people, especially those at his company or those that he particularly dislikes. He's a billionaire using his billions of dollars to try and control social media in a way that's favorable to him and he's not above singling out people who dare speak out against him like in the diver scenario.
- concordDance 4y ago
  He'll improve free speech for those who don't personally upset him, which is a large increase in free speech on twitter.
  - timeon 4y ago
    So it is not about free speech. Just politics as always.

therealdrag0 4y ago

I would say there is still a pool of non SV engineers that twitter could give a large raise and still be cheaper than its existing employees. Also there are people who like to work for “household names” because of the prestige who haven’t heard about working conditions at Tesla/spaceX.