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If you believe Musk would deliver true transparency then I got a self driving car to sell you.

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• memish 4y ago
  He delivered millions of electric cars. Re-usable rockets. Starlink. Moderation transparency is a slam dunk.
  • code_duck 4y ago
    The problem is that it's not as simple as he seemed to think. His statements about transparency were naive - he is apparently unaware of the reasons for which moderation teams don't explicitly state all of their bases for action.
    • nailer 4y ago
      > he is apparently unaware of the reasons for which moderation teams don't explicitly state all of their bases for action. Are you? Tell us.
      • code_duck 4y ago
        Not sure why you would ask as I assume this is fairly common knowledge on HN. Most platforms don’t reveal the specifics of their anti-spam or fraud guidelines because that would serve as a guide on how to evade detection.
        • nailer 4y ago
          Elon’s concern regarding moderation wasn’t about spam and fraud though, it was about behavioural bans.
        • plgonzalezrx8 4y ago
          Thats like saying speed limits shouldn't be posted cause if they are, people will stay under the speed limit.
          • AftHurrahWinch 4y ago
            That's a terrible analogy. Language evolves and so the ways to hurt people with language evolves, so there is no singular limit to set. If you don't agree that people can be hurt with language, than you don't agree with content moderation in the first place so your objection is meaningless... those who don't agree that people can be hurt with language arguing about content moderation is like those who hate all cheese arguing over what we should put on the cheese plate.
            • plgonzalezrx8 4y ago
              Did you reply to the wrong comment? It doesn't make any sense. I never said I disagree that language can be hurtful, and I never disagreed with content moderation (Both things, I have never said, you're putting words in my mouth). All I'm saying is that guidelines and rules should be clear instead of hidden from public view cause then that leads to arbitrary enforcement, and clear bias. The argument that making it public will make people "workaround it" is terrible, because thats the whole point of the rules. "Heres what you can do and can't do, if what you do doesn't violate the current rules, but shouldn't be done, then the rules need to be revised".
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  • bink 4y ago
    If he discloses the moderation algorithms it'll make gaming them that much easier and the bot problem that much larger.
    • robswc 4y ago
      Well... isn't everything a give or take? Seems they just have a "system" or "human" problem because tons of spam accounts get reported but it seems to take a long time to get them removed.
  • angrais 4y ago
    But he didn't do any of that? He owns parts of companies that have. That is not even similar. Why do you think and attribute him to those achievements?
• 93po 4y ago
  You mean the hundreds of thousands of self driving cars he's currently put out there?
• thrillgore 4y ago
  His cars do self drive though. Right into the median or ambulances, but they do self drive there.